[gothic-l] Counts of Coimbra ?

[Bertil Haggman]

To Carlos Carvalho,

Finding your contribution on July 7 of great interest. The
center of the Visigothic kingdom was Toledo in Spain.
The rule included much of present day Portugal (Coimbra=
Conimbrica?). Witika ruled 697-710 (he died in February
710, presumably after being blinded by Roderich, the
last Visigothic king) and he was the son of Egika,
who died in 701 in Toledo. Did Witika have a brother?
Have not been able to find out but maybe somebody on the
list can provide the answer.

What do you mean by "his issue remained in Coimbra during
Islamic rule"?

Very little is known about Witika. Most information is related
to about 100 years after his death (Chronicle of Mossaic (around
818).

In what way are the documents you mention indicating a relationship to Witika?

Gothically

Bertil


> This is my introducing message.
> I've been following my ancestors roots for about 20 years, deriving
> inevitably to their environment which has been for hundreds of years
> as
> farmers by the inland mountains of northern Portugal, around Viseu
> area, 100
> km from Porto.
> The research on male line, quite surprisingly to me, lead to a church
> patronage (gave away in the 17th century during the Spanish
> occupation). The
> origin of this patronage is traditionally attributed to Paio Carvalho
> (Pelagius Karvalio), probably son
> of Tructesindo Vermuiz #, the former was present in a dozen documents
> by the
> second quarter of the 12th century.
>
> Going further back, at least one Portuguese manuscript*, and other
> genealogical works**, relate this Paio Carvalho to the Counts of
> Coimbra (or
> more correctly Judges of Coimbra), via  Hermenegildo Mendes /
> Hermenegildo
> Guterres, who supposedly descended from Witiza (or his brother
> Sisebuto), one of the last Visigoth
> kings, his issue remaining in Coimbra during the Islamic rule.
>
> Now, before you delete all this and throw it into the "another
> delirious
> genealogy fool" basket, I have to tell you I believe to have evidence
> of
> some kind of gothic relationship not only to this family but to the
> region
> itself. You must understand however that not being a scholar, or even
> a
> professional on the subject, some space must be allowed for ignorance.
>
> If you think this would be pertinent to the discussion group please
> let me
> know, so that I can develop further my (numerous) doubts, questions
> and (a
> few) certitudes.
>




------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Free $5 Love Reading
Risk Free!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/wWMplB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

You are a member of the Gothic-L list.  To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe at egroups.com>.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/