[gothic-l] Counts of Coimbra ?

[Bertil Haggman]

To Carlos Carvalho,

Thank you for your detailed recounting of the late Visigothic
royal families. It is interesting to learn about the
later Visigothic nobles in Portugal. Generally one is
only reminded of the late relative of King Kindasvinth
(641-652), the folk hero Pelayo/Pelagius, who hid in the mountains
to later fight the Muslims from Asturia.

Gothically

Bertil


Coimbra was previously Aeminium but as the neighbour and
important roman village called Conimbriga was destroyed
during the barbaric invasions it took the name through the
bishopbry name.
Regarding Witiza the genealogy is believed to follow this way*:
( I will use the portuguese forms, please ask me if any doubt arises)

Vitiza (son of Egica and Cixilona) had issue:
Oimundo, Romulo and Ardabasto (count of the christians in Cordoba)

Vitiza had brothers: Opa (bishop of Seville)
                     Sisebuto (count of the christians in Coimbra)

Sisebuto had issue: Ataulfo (count of the christians in Coimbra)

Ataulfo had issue: Atanarico (count of the christians in Coimbra)

Atanarico had issue: Teudo (count of the christians in Coimbra)

Teudo was documented in (770, 801/2, 805)
Teudo had issue: Teodorico (805)// Ataulfo (805)(Bishop of Iria 843-
851)// Nunilo x Bermudo, Prince of Asturias (812) having a large 
issue which spread in Portugal and Galicia// Mencia (?) x with Soeiro 
Belfaguer that appear in the Sousa family origin// Hermenegildo (805, 
841) captain of the royal guard.

Hermenegildo had issue: Guterre, count (860,875)
Guterre x Elvira and had issue: Alvito (915) x Argilo//
N.(unknown Name) Guterres x Monio Nunes de Roa, count of Castille 
giving among others the "House of Guzman"// Osorio Guterres, count 
(916, 920)whose's generation mixes with the next// Hermenegildo 
Guterres (869) died 912, count of Coimbra (878), count of Portucale 
and Tuy, duke.

Hermenegildo x Ermesinda Gatones daughter of Gaton, count of Bierzo 
and had issue: Arias Mendes (911, 924) count of Coimbra (895) x 
Enderia whose's generation mixed with his brother Guterre//Elvira 
Mendes, died 921, x ca. 895 Ordonho II king of Leon//
Aldonça Mendes, with issue mixed with her sister Inderquina// 
Inderquina Mendes Pala*, died ca. 947 x Gosendo Eriz, count with 
issue, among others Ausenda Guterres x to Ramiro II** king of 
Portucale an King of Leon// Guterre Mendes, count in Galicia, died 
933 

Guterre Mendes married Ilduara Eriz (916, 958) and had issue:
Monio Guterres, count (911, 959) x Elvira Arias with issue Gonçalo 
Moniz, count of Coimbra (928, 981) x Tutadona Forjaz (981)// 
Ermesinda Guterres (929, 934) x Paio Gonçalves, count // Saint 
Rosendo (born 907, died 977), bishop of Mondoñedo// Ausenda Guterres 
(934, 951) x Ximeno Dias (died 961)//Froila Guterres (933, 943) x 
Sarracina (936, 942) with issue//
etc.

*A Herança Genética de D. Afonso Henriques - Luiz de Mello
Vaz de Sao Payo - Porto - 2002

>What do you mean by "his issue remained in Coimbra during
>Islamic rule"?
By issue I mean generation

> In what way are the documents you mention indicating a relationship 
>to Witika?
The oldest documents for this question are the donations to the 
Monastery of Lorvao, near Coimbra, in 770 from Teudo, count of 
Coimbra and great-great-grandson of Egica, publisd by Frei Bernardo 
de Brito. Other genealogists say Sisebuto was a son of Vitiza, but 
this is not well accepted nowadays. You must not then take much 
confidence from this as historians don't agree at all, even today.
The "great picture" seems clear nevertheless.





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