[gothic-l] Re: Saúrts/Surtr in phonological darkness or light?

[Einar Birgisson]

Blessadur Konrad.
Thanks to you for working on this. I will only admit that I am not in 
the position to evaluate your hypothesis.
Best regards Einar.

--- In gothic-l at y..., "konrad_oddsson" <konrad_oddsson at y...> wrote:
> This message is for Troel, Bertil and Einar, who were previously 
> discussing the name "Surtr" in connection with Gothic, and for 
> anyone else with an interest in this topic. I find forms such 
> as "Swartus" or "Swartw-" to be unlikely for the simple reason that 
> Gothic phonology tends to have "aú" (ON."o") before "r". Whereas 
> Norse shows both primitive "u" a "o" in positions before "r", 
fourth 
> century Gothic shows "aú"(compare N."þeir urðu", N."hann er 
orðinn", 
> N."urt" for Gothic "waúrts", N."orð" for Gothic "waúrd", "at yrkja" 
> and "hann orti" for forms of Gothic "waúrkjan"). On the basis of 
> this I am inclined to regard the form "Saúrts" as more likely for 
> Gothic. Also, a simple adjectival form like "black/dark" would 
> probably be confusing to even native speakers of a language - 
> sentences like "Black is coming soon" would be vague. Compare also 
> the fact that the name is "Surtr" in Norse, while the adjective 
> "svartr" is so common as to be in daily use in Scandinavian tongues 
> today. "Saúrts" would be declined: N. Saúrts, A. Saúrt, D. Saúrta, 
> G. Saúrtis. Compare also that the Norse verb for to "grow 
black/dark 
> is "sortna", again showing that Norse can have "o" (Gothic aú) as 
> well as "u" in positions where we would expect only "aú" before "r" 
> in fourth century Gothic. 
> 
> I would like to know your thoughts and responses to "Saúrts" as the 
> Gothic name for the firey enemy of the divine ones. 
> 
> Regards,
> Konrad.


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