[gothic-l] Re: Gothic names

[Troels Brandt <trbrandt@post9.tele.dk>]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, <vegorov at i...> wrote:
> Hi, Troels!
> 
> Thank you for the exhaustive anthology regarding Hrothwulf, 
> even if my gratitude reaches you with a week delay.
>  
> Unfortunately, the series for Hrothrik was shorter. 
> Except for Beowulf (I just reconstructed *Hrothrik from 
> Beowulf's HROTHmund + hredRIK) you mentioned Saxon's 
> Röric (Roeric) and compared this form with HraerekR 
> of the sagas as "synonymous". Identity of "Roeric" and 
> "HraerekR" is very important for me.

Hi Vladimir

If this is the identity you want to use, you have to be aware that 
this was based on a comparison of figures in the sagas and Gesta 
Danorum. I (and others) may have made a wrong comparison or Saxo may 
have made a mistake when he spelled the name. As already mentioned I 
did not look at this from a linguistic point of view.

Troels  



> First, this allows me 
> to extend identifying HraithmaraR of the Roekstone 
> with Hroth-mara that is the Black sea as "Russian-sea" 
> (naturally if the supposition, BTW prompted by you, on 
> derivation of the ethnonym "Rus" from Gothic "hroth" is true). 
> Second, this corroborates my assumption that Rurik of 
> the Initial Russian Chronicle was neither "knyaz' Rurik" 
> nor "konung Roeric of Jutland/Frisland" but merely 
> a personification of Russian kagans (chacans, hacons) 
> i.e. Russian rulers, i.e. Hroth-riks. In particular, 
> the Initial Chronicle personifies the same way the Russian 
> "priestly chieftains", i.e. hölgi, as "knyaz' Oleg", 
> and the Khazar kagans as "knyaz' Kagan". 
> 
> (I realize that all this sounds for you as a drivel 
> and I have no intentions to impose on you my considerations, 
> which are far enough from Gothic problems, but believe 
> that I have some serious reasons for them, and I'm not 
> wasting your time in vain.)
> 
> Vladimir


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