[gothic-l] Re: Gothic race?

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <abrigon at y...> wrote:
> But how much people confuse race, with culture, and with ethnicity.
>
> By the time the Goths entered western Europe for the last major
time,
> what was they?




If you refer to the Ostrogoths under Theoderic, they were among
others a Roman federate army.





>
> They spoke a Germanic language. But where their genetically
Germanic,
> likely not.




You cannot be genetically Germanic, because there are no Germanic
genes.







Culturally likely not as well were the Germanic, they seem
> ed to have adopted many customs of the east, namely those of steppe
> cultures.




Since the Goths were Germanic their culture -by definition - is
Germanic as well. It may have been different in part to those of
other Germanic groups like the Francs, yet since they both were
Germanic, their cultures cannot have been anything but Germanic as
well.





>
> Question is, what evidence is there in their language for contact
with
> other nations to the east.





Very little, if I remember correctly. Francisc mentioned some four
words of possibly Slavic origin. Most loanwords were adopted from
Greek and Latin, probably in part specifically for the bible
translation. Otherwise, Gothic was a purely Germanic language.






> What evidence is there for any past in the
> area of the Vistula and contact with other cultures there?



There is above all the cultural continuity, which reaches from the
Wielbark culture at the Vistula to Eastern Europe, Italy and Spain.
One key feature is the custom of weapon-less male graves.






> What evidence genetically is there for any contact they may have
had
> with the far east and the mummies and like.
>


Nothing that I am aware of.




> Has anyone done any comparisions of the genetics of the mummies
with
> modern europeans, as well as with known Goth burial sites.




Probably not.


cheers
Dirk




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