[gothic-l] Re: GUTANI WIHAILAG

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi, Dirk,

I don't dispute the reading 'gutane', I just mean that, based on what 
we know about Wulfila's Gothic language, 'gutane' means rather 'of 
the Goths' than 'good' (which would be goths, goda-). jer 'year' in 
Gothic is neutrum, like the German 'Jahr', and if you wish to 
somebody 'ein gutes Jahr', this would be in Gothic 'godata jer', and 
not 'gutane jer'. 'gutane jer' could mean only 'year of the Goths' 
(?!)

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> Hi Francisc,
> 
> I have no linguistic knowledge and rely only on secondary sources. 
> The reading 'GUTANE JER WEIH HAILAG' I found in a recent article by 
> A. Schwarcs "Cult and Religion among the Tervingi and the Visigoths 
> and their conversion to Christianity" in 'The Visigoths from the 
> Migration to the 7th Century: An Ethnographic Perspective', Ed. P. 
> Heather, 2000. 
> 
> p. (page numbers not on my copy) "A recent study one by Hermann 
> Reichert with a thorough scrutiny of th eoriginal in Bucarest in 
1992 
> gives as the most plausible reading of this runic 
inscription "gutane 
> jer weih hailag", a blessing for a fruitful and prosperous year..."
> 
> 
> The Runenprojekt of the University of Kiel in Germany also records 
> the following alternative interpretations:
> 
> Gutani¿ w³hhailag 
> sacrosanctum of gothic women/female warriors(?) 
> Antonsen, Elmer H. 1975
> 
> Gutaniom hailag 
> dedicated to the Gothic Mothers (=female guardian spirits of the 
> Goths) 
> Krogmann, Willy. 1978
> 
> (G)ut(an³) (¿) (1Z) (w³)hh(a)i(l)ag ... 
> the Goths' protector (=king) (1Z) [be/is] sacrosanct ...
> Isb&%escu, Mihai. 1960
> 
> guttani hailag wiko
> holy song of the Goths - Wiko (=rota of the great cult of the 
tribe) 
> Gutenbrunner, Siegfried. 1964
> 
> Gutani¿ w³h hailag 
> the holy relic of gothic priestesses (=the [altar] ring) 
> Johnsen, Ingrid Sanness., 1971
> 
> Gutan³ (¿) [1Z] (w³)h hailag 
> the Goths' hereditary property - (1Z) - consecrated [and] 
inviolable 
> Krause, Wolfgang, Herbert Jankuhn.
> 1966
> 
> 
> 
> What is clear from this list is that the reading and the 
translation 
> is rather uncertain. However, in contrast to Reichert's latest 
study 
> not all of these translations above will have been based on a close 
> analysis of the original ring, so that some of them likely suffer 
> from a misreading of the runes. 
> 
> cheers
> Dirk 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" 
<fericzobor at y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi, Dirk,
> > 
> > I write 'GUTANI WIHAILAG' because it is in Gothic and because 
it's 
> > from my country, Romania. In fact, the runes read GUTANI?
WIHAILAG, 
> > where ? is for the illegible rune at the place of the fracture of 
> the 
> > necklace. I know that there are still controversies regarding the 
> > interpretation of this text, but I personally think that it is 
not 
> > very plausible the interpretation of GUTANI as 'gutane' = 'good'.
> > First: indeed, in German 'gut' = 'good', but in Gothic 'good' is 
> > goths/goda-, so the genitive plural, weak adjectival declension, 
> > would be 'godane', not 'gutane'.
> > Second: it doesn't make sense in this context to put the 
> > adjective 'good' in genitive plural. But the substantive "Goth" 
in 
> > genitive plural - "of the Goths" is more meaningful.
> > So I still prefer to consider that the most plausible 
> interpretation 
> > of GUTANI is 'gutane' = 'of the Goths'.
> > 
> > With best regards,
> > Francisc
> > 
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> > > ... 
> > > Hi Francisc,
> > > 
> > > I see that you write 'GUTANI WIHAILAG'. Did you know that the 
> > latest 
> > > investigation on the original ring suggests that the best 
reading 
> > of 
> > > the inscription is 'gutane jer weih hailag', which is a 
blessing 
> > for 
> > > a good year, with 'gutane' meaning 'good' . Hence, the name of 
> the 
> > > Goths is probably not on the ring.
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > Dirk


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