[gothic-l] Gothic words in Bavarian

[llama_nom]

Hi Dirk,

I'd be interested to see a list of the Gothic loanwords into
Bavarian; I'm especially curious about the "Gothic words which are
uniquely preserved in Bavarian".  Do you know if these include any
others apart from the days of the week?

How certain is it that Pfait is a Gothic loan?  The word is also
found in Old English, as PAD, with compounds such as HEREPAD (war-
shirt = armour) and HASUPAD (grey-shirt = wolf).  According to
Priebsch & Collinson "The German Language", OHG pfeit "seems to have
been shifted from a Thracian word BAITEE for a sheepskin". (BAITEE is
spelt in Greek letters, I used EE for Gk. eta.)

Is AU the normal development of Gmc. long U: in Bavarian, as in
standard Modern High German?  If so, this might point to the
confusion in Gothic between O: and U:, and I guess the final T in
Maut would imply that it was borrowed after the High German consonant
shift.  So this looks quite a good candidate.

The "supposedly Crimean" TELICH, of course, being so very similar to
the Low German, raises the question of how much Bousbeque was
assimilating the forms of these Gothic words to those of German or
Dutch words he was more familiar with.  I wonder what the etymology
of this is.

Another thought: is there any evidence of Gothic vocabulary in the
Alemannic dialects of Switzerland?

Llama Nom




> The Gothic
> > influence in Bavarian is attributed mainly to an alleged Gothic-
> Arian
> > mission to Bavaria, which would explain loanwords connected more
or
> > less to religion (including some names of the days of the week).
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> Yes, there is a study on this subject I think in 'Die Bayern und
ihre
> Nachbarn, Part 1, Berichte des Symposium der Kommission fuer
> Fruehmittelalterforschung, 1982. I have the article at home and can
> get you the full reference if needed. The existence of such a
mission
> is not certain as you indicated, but given the religious
vocabulary,
> including some Gothic words which are uniquely preserved in
Bavarian
> it is a reasonable proposition. Again, the recent excavations at
the
> Hemmaberg, which turned up an Arian Gothic church and cemetary
> confirms that Goths did settle in North of Italy and it seems
> reasonable to assume that some linguistic influence was exerted on
> the Bavarians from this.
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>  But
> > there are also words of Gothic origin that have nothing to do
with
> > religion (for instance, Pfait "shirt" or Maut "customs"), that
> would
> > suggest that the Ostrogothic presence in Bavaria was not limited
to
> > that Arian mission.
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>
> Theoderic certainly had an interest in the region of Bavaria and
may
> have been activly involved in the settlement of the area by various
> Germanic groups. Some scholars believe that a more or less direct
> Gothic influence or rule extended as far as Regensburg, i.e. to the
> Danube. Also, the Ostrogoths assumed the protection over parts of
the
> Alamanni after their defeat by the Franks at Zuelpich in 496AD.
>
> I read that Bavarian/Suabian  'prangen' to press or restrict may
also
> be an East Germanic word (I think Gothic has praggan), but then the
> word Pranger is used throughout Germany. The supposedly Crimean
> Gothic word 'telich' meaning foolish is interesting as it has
> survived in Low German/Low Saxon, were the expression 'een
telichten
> Kerl', i.e. a foolish bloke was commonly used.
>
>
> Cheers
> Dirk



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