[gothic-l] Arian mission was Re: Visigoths not "Booted Out"

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...>
wrote:
> Hi Dirk,
>
> I wrote that probably some of them went to Bavaria.



Hi Francisc,

that is right of course and I did not mean to criticise your
statement, which is absolutle plausible.



The Gothic
> influence in Bavarian is attributed mainly to an alleged Gothic-
Arian
> mission to Bavaria, which would explain loanwords connected more or
> less to religion (including some names of the days of the week).





Yes, there is a study on this subject I think in 'Die Bayern und ihre
Nachbarn, Part 1, Berichte des Symposium der Kommission fuer
Fruehmittelalterforschung, 1982. I have the article at home and can
get you the full reference if needed. The existence of such a mission
is not certain as you indicated, but given the religious vocabulary,
including some Gothic words which are uniquely preserved in Bavarian
it is a reasonable proposition. Again, the recent excavations at the
Hemmaberg, which turned up an Arian Gothic church and cemetary
confirms that Goths did settle in North of Italy and it seems
reasonable to assume that some linguistic influence was exerted on
the Bavarians from this.









 But
> there are also words of Gothic origin that have nothing to do with
> religion (for instance, Pfait "shirt" or Maut "customs"), that
would
> suggest that the Ostrogothic presence in Bavaria was not limited to
> that Arian mission.



Theoderic certainly had an interest in the region of Bavaria and may
have been activly involved in the settlement of the area by various
Germanic groups. Some scholars believe that a more or less direct
Gothic influence or rule extended as far as Regensburg, i.e. to the
Danube. Also, the Ostrogoths assumed the protection over parts of the
Alamanni after their defeat by the Franks at Zuelpich in 496AD.

I read that Bavarian/Suabian  'prangen' to press or restrict may also
be an East Germanic word (I think Gothic has praggan), but then the
word Pranger is used throughout Germany. The supposedly Crimean
Gothic word 'telich' meaning foolish is interesting as it has
survived in Low German/Low Saxon, were the expression 'een telichten
Kerl', i.e. a foolish bloke was commonly used.


Cheers
Dirk





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