[gothic-l] Re: háils

[llama_nom]

Hails Manie!

I believe the Fagino Maria (Hail Mary) you quote is a modern 
reconstruction, based on Luk:1:28 "jah galeithands inn sa aggilus du 
izai qath: fagino, anstai audahafta, frauja mith thus; thiuthido thu 
in qinom."  And I would guess that the lack of dots above the capital 
I of Iesus is just a product of the computer font used to transcribe 
the Gothic letters.  That is to say, perhaps the upper case 
equivalent of ï wasn't available in this particular font, or else was 
felt unnecessary for the sake of clarity since a capital letter will 
always be found at the start of a word anyway.

The Gothic calender gives in addition to Naubaimbair, the 
synonymous "fruma jiuleis" (the first Jiuleis), this being the native 
Germanic name.  Judging by the Old English calendar, we can guess 
that the following month would have been "sa anthar jiuleis".  More 
speculatively, one could reconstruct Gothic forms for the other 
months according to the Old English names...

Regarding the days of the week, the Bible contains Sabbato (Saturday, 
that is The Sabbath).  Also in the Bible, are "fruma sabbato" which 
is used at Mk 15,42 for "Sabbath eve" = "the day before the Sabbath", 
but at Mk 16,9 it signifies "the day after the Sabbath".

Intriguingly, there exist in some southern German speaking regions 
alternate names for some weekdays, which seem to show the influence 
of the Greek day names.  It is possible that these were taken into 
German through Gothic.  Here is a list of the reconstructed Gothic 
forms mentioned in Gerhard Koebler's "Gotisches Woerterbuch":

*areinsdags - Tuesday
*pintadags - Thursday
*pareinsdags - Friday

I have read that there is a Swiss name for Sunday: Frontag.  This 
one's not mentioned in Koebler's dictionary.  I wonder if it could 
have been inspired by a Gothic *fraujinsdags?  (Greek: hee kuriakee).

Llama Nom


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Manie Lombard" <manielombard at c...> 
wrote:
> Hails!
> 
> My name is Manie Lombard. I'm 41, married, have two children and 
live in Viena, Austria. I'm generally interested in languages. The 
reason why I joined this group is, because I've got some questions.
> 
> Are the gothic names of the week days known, and if yes, what are 
they called? Are the names of the months known, besides "Naubaimbair" 
in your "Kalender.int.txt"?
> 
> In gothic, you have two "i"s. 
> In J. Wright's grammar it says: „The Gothic character ï was used at 
the begining of a word and medially after a vowel not belonging to 
the same syllable" Now I find in the Gothic "Hail Mary":
> 
>  
> 
> Fagino Maria, 
> anstai audahafta, 
> frauja miþ þus; 
> þiuþido þu ïn qinom, 
> þiuþido akran 
> qeiþaus þeinis, Iesus.
> 
>  
> 
> Is the "I" of Iesus intentionally an I without two dots? And if so, 
why?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Manie
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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