Re: [gothic-l] Re: háils

Thu Jul 15 21:57:23 UTC 2004

Háils Llama Nom

Thank you very much for your reply!!! Has anybody already tried to reconstruct the Gothic names according to the Old English names?

My attempt (according to the Latin forms):

January: *januarius (or *ianuarius?)

February: *faíbruarius

March: *martius

April: *aprilis

May: *maius

June: *junius (*iunius?)

July: *julius (*iulius?)

August: *awgustus

September: *saíptaímbaír

October: *aúktaúbaír

November: naúbaímbaír

December: *daíkaímbaír

The days of the week according to your information and the list of Gerhard Köbler:

Monday: ?

Tuesday: *areinsdags, *arjausdags

Wednesday: ?

Thursday: *pintadags, *paíntedags, paraskaíwe

Friday: *pareinsdags

Saturday: sabbato

Sunday: *fráujinsdags

So for Monday and Wednesday we don't have any knowledge so far?

Regards

Manie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: llama_nom 
  To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:47 AM
  Subject: [gothic-l] Re: háils

  Hails Manie!

  I believe the Fagino Maria (Hail Mary) you quote is a modern 
  reconstruction, based on Luk:1:28 "jah galeithands inn sa aggilus du 
  izai qath: fagino, anstai audahafta, frauja mith thus; thiuthido thu 
  in qinom."  And I would guess that the lack of dots above the capital 
  I of Iesus is just a product of the computer font used to transcribe 
  the Gothic letters.  That is to say, perhaps the upper case 
  equivalent of ï wasn't available in this particular font, or else was 
  felt unnecessary for the sake of clarity since a capital letter will 
  always be found at the start of a word anyway.

  The Gothic calender gives in addition to Naubaimbair, the 
  synonymous "fruma jiuleis" (the first Jiuleis), this being the native 
  Germanic name.  Judging by the Old English calendar, we can guess 
  that the following month would have been "sa anthar jiuleis".  More 
  speculatively, one could reconstruct Gothic forms for the other 
  months according to the Old English names...

  Regarding the days of the week, the Bible contains Sabbato (Saturday, 
  that is The Sabbath).  Also in the Bible, are "fruma sabbato" which 
  is used at Mk 15,42 for "Sabbath eve" = "the day before the Sabbath", 
  but at Mk 16,9 it signifies "the day after the Sabbath".

  Intriguingly, there exist in some southern German speaking regions 
  alternate names for some weekdays, which seem to show the influence 
  of the Greek day names.  It is possible that these were taken into 
  German through Gothic.  Here is a list of the reconstructed Gothic 
  forms mentioned in Gerhard Koebler's "Gotisches Woerterbuch":

  *areinsdags - Tuesday
  *pintadags - Thursday
  *pareinsdags - Friday

  I have read that there is a Swiss name for Sunday: Frontag.  This 
  one's not mentioned in Koebler's dictionary.  I wonder if it could 
  have been inspired by a Gothic *fraujinsdags?  (Greek: hee kuriakee).

  Llama Nom

  --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Manie Lombard" <manielombard at c...> 
  wrote:
  > Hails!
  > 
  > My name is Manie Lombard. I'm 41, married, have two children and 
  live in Viena, Austria. I'm generally interested in languages. The 
  reason why I joined this group is, because I've got some questions.
  > 
  > Are the gothic names of the week days known, and if yes, what are 
  they called? Are the names of the months known, besides "Naubaimbair" 
  in your "Kalender.int.txt"?
  > 
  > In gothic, you have two "i"s. 
  > In J. Wright's grammar it says: "The Gothic character ï was used at 
  the begining of a word and medially after a vowel not belonging to 
  the same syllable" Now I find in the Gothic "Hail Mary":
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > Fagino Maria, 
  > anstai audahafta, 
  > frauja miþ þus; 
  > þiuþido þu ïn qinom, 
  > þiuþido akran 
  > qeiþaus þeinis, Iesus.
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > Is the "I" of Iesus intentionally an I without two dots? And if so, 
  why?
  > 
  >  
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > Regards
  > 
  > Manie
  > 
  > 
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