[gothic-l] Re: háils

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi Manie,

naúbaímbaír is correct, being attested in the Gothic calendar 
fragment of the 6th century 
(http://www.wulfila.be/gothic/text/minora/Kalender.html).
There, November is also called "fruma Juleis" ("first Yule"), thus 
it's almost sure that December (very probablu *daíkaímbaír, as 
reconstructed by you) was alternatively called *anthar Juleis 
("second Yule").

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Manie Lombard" <manielombard at c...> 
wrote:
> Háils Llama Nom
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you very much for your reply!!! Has anybody already tried to 
reconstruct the Gothic names according to the Old English names?
> 
>  
> 
> My attempt (according to the Latin forms):
> 
>  
> 
> January: *januarius (or *ianuarius?)
> 
> February: *faíbruarius
> 
> March: *martius
> 
> April: *aprilis
> 
> May: *maius
> 
> June: *junius (*iunius?)
> 
> July: *julius (*iulius?)
> 
> August: *awgustus
> 
> September: *saíptaímbaír
> 
> October: *aúktaúbaír
> 
> November: naúbaímbaír
> 
> December: *daíkaímbaír
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> The days of the week according to your information and the list of 
Gerhard Köbler:
> 
>  
> 
> Monday: ?
> 
> Tuesday: *areinsdags, *arjausdags
> 
> Wednesday: ?
> 
> Thursday: *pintadags, *paíntedags, paraskaíwe
> 
> Friday: *pareinsdags
> 
> Saturday: sabbato
> 
> Sunday: *fráujinsdags
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> So for Monday and Wednesday we don't have any knowledge so far?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Manie
> 
>  
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: llama_nom 
>   To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:47 AM
>   Subject: [gothic-l] Re: háils
> 
> 
> 
>   Hails Manie!
> 
>   I believe the Fagino Maria (Hail Mary) you quote is a modern 
>   reconstruction, based on Luk:1:28 "jah galeithands inn sa aggilus 
du 
>   izai qath: fagino, anstai audahafta, frauja mith thus; thiuthido 
thu 
>   in qinom."  And I would guess that the lack of dots above the 
capital 
>   I of Iesus is just a product of the computer font used to 
transcribe 
>   the Gothic letters.  That is to say, perhaps the upper case 
>   equivalent of ï wasn't available in this particular font, or else 
was 
>   felt unnecessary for the sake of clarity since a capital letter 
will 
>   always be found at the start of a word anyway.
> 
>   The Gothic calender gives in addition to Naubaimbair, the 
>   synonymous "fruma jiuleis" (the first Jiuleis), this being the 
native 
>   Germanic name.  Judging by the Old English calendar, we can guess 
>   that the following month would have been "sa anthar jiuleis".  
More 
>   speculatively, one could reconstruct Gothic forms for the other 
>   months according to the Old English names...
> 
>   Regarding the days of the week, the Bible contains Sabbato 
(Saturday, 
>   that is The Sabbath).  Also in the Bible, are "fruma sabbato" 
which 
>   is used at Mk 15,42 for "Sabbath eve" = "the day before the 
Sabbath", 
>   but at Mk 16,9 it signifies "the day after the Sabbath".
> 
>   Intriguingly, there exist in some southern German speaking 
regions 
>   alternate names for some weekdays, which seem to show the 
influence 
>   of the Greek day names.  It is possible that these were taken 
into 
>   German through Gothic.  Here is a list of the reconstructed 
Gothic 
>   forms mentioned in Gerhard Koebler's "Gotisches Woerterbuch":
> 
>   *areinsdags - Tuesday
>   *pintadags - Thursday
>   *pareinsdags - Friday
> 
>   I have read that there is a Swiss name for Sunday: Frontag.  This 
>   one's not mentioned in Koebler's dictionary.  I wonder if it 
could 
>   have been inspired by a Gothic *fraujinsdags?  (Greek: hee 
kuriakee).
> 
>   Llama Nom
> 
> 
>   --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Manie Lombard" 
<manielombard at c...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Hails!
>   > 
>   > My name is Manie Lombard. I'm 41, married, have two children 
and 
>   live in Viena, Austria. I'm generally interested in languages. 
The 
>   reason why I joined this group is, because I've got some 
questions.
>   > 
>   > Are the gothic names of the week days known, and if yes, what 
are 
>   they called? Are the names of the months known, 
besides "Naubaimbair" 
>   in your "Kalender.int.txt"?
>   > 
>   > In gothic, you have two "i"s. 
>   > In J. Wright's grammar it says: "The Gothic character ï was 
used at 
>   the begining of a word and medially after a vowel not belonging 
to 
>   the same syllable" Now I find in the Gothic "Hail Mary":
>   > 
>   >  
>   > 
>   > Fagino Maria, 
>   > anstai audahafta, 
>   > frauja miþ þus; 
>   > þiuþido þu ïn qinom, 
>   > þiuþido akran 
>   > qeiþaus þeinis, Iesus.
>   > 
>   >  
>   > 
>   > Is the "I" of Iesus intentionally an I without two dots? And if 
so, 
>   why?
>   > 
>   >  
>   > 
>   >  
>   > 
>   > Regards
>   > 
>   > Manie
>   > 
>   > 
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