[gothic-l] Re: Gothic in Balkan

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi, Dirk,

I quoted the information about Gothic speakers from an old book of
mine ("Introduction to the Comparative Grammar of the Germanic
Languages", University of Bucharest, 1971) where no further
indication (regarding which work of W. Strabo) is given. According to
the same book, "In central Europe Gothic may have lingered somewhat
longer in view of the Salzburg manuscript (10th century)... Possibly
the information there given was derived from southern Hungary or
Transylvania where remains of the Gepidae were to be found shortly
before the Magyars [Hungarians] settled in these regions (AD 889)."
Thus it seems that we have here two distinct situations of survival
of Gothic until the 9th/10th century in Central&Eastern Europe:
1. Gepids in Pannonia and/or Transylvania;
2. Gothi Minores (Lesser Goths) in Moesia.
And, of course, we have the survival of Gothic in Crimea (not very
far from the Lesser Goths) until the 18th century.

Francisc


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor"
<fericzobor at y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi, Dirk,
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> > > ...
> > > what is the evidence for Gothic being spoken in some parts of
the
> > > Balkans int he 9th and 10th century? The records of the
Bavarian
> > > mission to the Balkan do mention Gepids in that area, but give
no
> > > indication as to their language.
> > >
> >
> > I wrote from memory about "9th and 10th century". In fact:
> > According to Walahfrid Strabo, Gothic was still used in his time
> (the
> > 9th century) in some churches in the region of the lower Danube,
in
> > the neighborhood of Tomi (now Constanta, in Romania, at the Black
> > Sea).
> > I think it is not suprising that Gothic survived until the 9th
> > century in what was Moesia Inferior.
>
>
>
> Hi Francics,
>
> yes, I suppose it should not be too surprising if Gothic/Gepidic
> survived in these regions until about the 10th century or so. As I
> said there are sources relating to the Bavarian missionary attempts
> mentioning Gepids living at the middle Danube in the 9th century
and
> Gepids are mentioned as having joined Alamannic troops to fight the
> Spanish Moslems at Poitiers. I think it is not unreasonable to
assume
> that these Gepids were still speaking East Germanic (i.e. Gothic).
I
> was really just curious about the exact source. Do you know which
> work of Walahfrid Strabo referes to the use of Gothic. I think the
> texts about the Bavarian mission state that Gepids were brought
back
> to Bavaria where some of them even became priests. It might be that
> Walafried Strabo, who was at the monastry of Reichenau, heard about
> the use of Gothic from one of these Gepids.
>
> Cheers
> Dirk



------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70
http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/wWMplB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->

You are a member of the Gothic-L list.  To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe at egroups.com>.
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     gothic-l-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/