[gothic-l] Re: Bastarnae

[faltin2001]

Hi Valulfr and Vladimir,

according to the RGA there are two reasons for regarding the 
Bastarnae as Germanic. Firstly, ancient authors such as Tacitus said 
that they spoke a Germanic language, but secondly and perhaps more 
importantly, the Poienesti-Lukashevka archaeological culture shows 
similarities with the Germanic Jastorf culture that some authors have 
describes as 'astonishing'. In fact, there is apprently now good 
evidence to suggest that the Poienesti-Lukashevka culture migrated 
from the area of the Lower Lausitz and Spree-region in what is now 
Germany. In fact, this migration of carriers of the Jastorf culture 
to the Black Sea is also regarded as an important factor in the 
creation of the Przeworsk culture. The only problem that arises is: 
can we be sure that the Poienesti-Lukashevka culture included the 
Bastarnae? Here the argument gets a bit circular. Hence, Tacitus said 
they were Germanic, an archaeological culture originating from a 
Germanic culture (Jastorf) was located therefore the Bastarnae must 
be that culture. I have the RGA article somewhere and look up the 
details.

Cheers
Dirk 






>  
> 
> Hi, Valulfr!
> 
>  
> 
> A favorite sentence of the famous 
> Russian archaeologist Mark Shchukin 
> (a widely respected expert in the Celtic 
> history and a leading specialist 
> in exploration of Zarubinetskaya 
> and Poyaneshty-Lukashevka archaeological 
> cultures, from St. Petersburg) is 
> "the Bastarnae were Bastarnae". 
> He considers the Bastarnae as belonging 
> to "peoples between the Celts and Germans" 
> i.e. a third central European nation, 
> neither exactly Germanic nor Celtic. 
> Having migrated from central Europe 
> to downer Danube in some 3rd century B.C., 
> they introduced characteristic La-Tene features 
> into two archaeological cultures: 
> Zarubinetskaya (middle Dnepr) and 
> Poyaneshty-Lukashevka (Moldova). 
> Now these cultures are reliably attributed 
> to the Bastarnae, conjecturally to the Strabo's 
> Atmones and Sidones, respectively. (The third 
> Strabo's grouping of the Bastarnae, the Peukines, 
> relates probably to Sata Nou, Romania). Moreover, 
> Shchukin supposes the Bastarnae as having been 
> an important component of the Slavonic genesis, 
> but this point of view is not commonly accepted.
> 
>  
> 
> There are plenty publications in Russian, but 
> I can't give references in English, unfortunately.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Vladimir
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hrafnsnest [mailto:wulfsligrs at c...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:55 AM
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gothic-l] Bastarnae
> 
> 
> Heilsa öllum,
> 
> Over the years, while doing research on the historical events that
> occured in E. & SE Europe during the BCE period, I have wondered
> about the tribe known as the Bastarnae. From what I have seen, they
> are most often designated as a GMC tribe, but my question is, what 
is
> the archaeological evidence, and what makes researchers come to the
> conclusion that they were GMC, surely it can't be based on the
> literary records of Romans alone?
> 
> Þakka þér fyrir,
> Valulfr
> 
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