[gothic-l] The David Salo Test!!!

[llama_nom]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at y...> wrote:

> correction made to my own work, after accidentally coming 
> across a reference to this or the old testament source in 
> Skeireins I (at the beginning!): '".....saei frathjai aiththau 
sokjai 
> guth. allai uswandidedun, samana unbrukjai waurthun",...' 

> I remember David Salo once wrote that a good and perhaps 
> sobering exercise would be to translate into Gothic some part of 
> the text for which there is already Gothic, and then compare your 
> work. Not a bad idea.


Okay then.  Matthew Chapter 27 – first my version (using Köbler's 
Greek-English appendix + The Unbound Bible, as recommended), then 
the real thing, and finally comments, bragadoccio, excuses, etc.  
(PS. It took ages.)

Me:

3 than gasaihvands Iudas, sa lewjands ina, thatei gadomiths 
was/warth, idreigonds sik gawandida thans thrins tiguns 
silubreinaize skatte thaim auhumistam gudjam jah sinistam,
4 qithands: Frawaurhta galewjands bloth swikn. ith eis qethun: hva 
thata uns(is)?  Thu saihvais.
5 jah gawairpands thans silubreinans skattans (thaim silubreinaim 
skattam) in alh, usiddja ut jah galeithands ushaihah sik.
6 Ith thai auhumistans gudjans nimandans thans silubreinans skattans 
qethun: Ni skuld ist galagjan thata in kaurbanan, unte andawairthi 
blothis ist.
7 thanuh runa nimands bauhtedun us im akrs this kasjins du hlaiwa 
framathjaim.
8 Duththe haihait akrs jains `Akrs Blothis' und hita.


Wulfila:

3 thanuh gasaihvands Iudas sa galewjands ina thatei du stauai 
gatauhans warth, idreigonds gawandida thans thrins tiguns 
silubrinaize gudjam jah sinistam
4 qithands: frawaurhta mis galewjands bloth swikn. ith eis qethun: 
hva kara unsis? thu witeis.
5 jah atwairpands thaim silubr<ein>am in alh aflaith, jah 
galeithands ushaihah sik.
6 ith thai gudjans nimandans thans skattans qethun: ni skuld ist 
lagjan thans in kaurbaunan, unte andawairthi blothis ist.
7 garuni than nimandans usbauhtedun us thaim thana akr kasjins, du 
usfilhan ana gastim.
8 duththe haitans warth akrs jains akrs blothis und hina dag.



Note: I cheated on andawairthi! (But that's all, honest!)  Did have 
it as sweritha, which everywhere else translates timh, but not here 
obviously.  I was maybe more literal with gadomiths warth, & thu 
saihvis.  Wulfila was more literal with silubreinaize (with no 
noun).  I started with _than_ because tote is `when' here in the 
GNB, though elsewhere it is also `then'—and I see now that KJB 
actually has `then', so I should have known...

I cunningly took runa from Mt. 27,1 CA runa nemun – but forgot that 
this verse is also duplicated by C, which has garuni nemun – so I 
can live with that.

atwairpan – should have paid more attention to the direction "into 
the temple", rather than just "threw down", probably.  I can also 
see where I went wrong with my unpassive haihait, and the omission 
of the reflexive pronoun with frawaurhta.  Not sure what mistake I 
made, if any, with the lack of (or insertion of) ga.  Possibly 
arbitrary here?  (sa lewjands ina, appears elsewhere).  Usbauhtedun –
 the prefix for perfectivising reasons?

7 this kasjins -- typical English speaker's mistake, overuse of 
Gothic demonstrative.

7 thanuh.  Hmm, maybe too emphatic – or maybe it's arbitrary.  Both 
translate de, on occasion.  Here's my fiendish idea for a test: go 
through a chapter or two guessing at the Gothic equivalents for all 
the oun's and de's!!

Llama Nom





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