[gothic-l] Salo Test -- further thoughts & was Wulfila one person??

[llama_nom]

In this passage, Gk. arguria is translated variously: silubreinaize 
(adj.), silubreinam (noun) - although <ein> is in angular brackets - 
and finally skattans.  The 30 of silver, the 30 silvers, and the 
coins.  ...a strategy I've sometimes tried when translating things 
into  English, to sneak in meanings that might get lost, without 
becoming more verbose than the original.  The variation suggests 
that the idiom of "silvers" wasn't as clear in Gothic with reference 
to coins.

WULFILA: thana akr kasjins "that field of a potter"
ME: akr this kasjins "field of the potter"
(actually I carelessly typed nom. akrs)

I was probably treating this as a proper name like the Potter's 
Field.


idreigon & frawaurkjan both occur in reflexive and non-reflexive 
forms ( e.g. L 15,18 frawaurhta mis = h(marton v. 21 frawaurhta = h
(marton ) - so no shame there?!


du usfilhan ana gastim 'for the burial of foreigners' = eis tafhn 
tois cenos
I've not met this use of ANA before (I wonder if there are any other 
examples...), and would never have thought of it.  Other 
possibilities I might have used: gen., or faur +acc.


One final ponder: as I look through the Gothic Bible, sometimes I 
meet a certain idiom predominantly in one place, for example Heyne 
suggests that sah/soh can sometimes have a relative 
sense 'welcher'.  Of the 7 examples I found of this, 6 were in 
Luke.  Which set me thinking, has anyone investigated the evidence 
that the Gothic New Testament was translated by one person?  The 
example I just gave doesn't say anything one way or the other, and 
could just be a due to subject matter, as the idiom seems to depend 
on a very specific context -- and I don't have much experience in 
how these questions are determined -- but just a thought...

Llama Nom



> 
> Okay then.  Matthew Chapter 27 – first my version...

> Me:
> 
> 3 than gasaihvands Iudas, sa lewjands ina, thatei gadomiths 
> was/warth, idreigonds sik gawandida thans thrins tiguns 
> silubreinaize skatte thaim auhumistam gudjam jah sinistam,
> 4 qithands: Frawaurhta galewjands bloth swikn. ith eis qethun: hva 
> thata uns(is)?  Thu saihvais.
> 5 jah gawairpands thans silubreinans skattans (thaim silubreinaim 
> skattam) in alh, usiddja ut jah galeithands ushaihah sik.
> 6 Ith thai auhumistans gudjans nimandans thans silubreinans 
skattans 
> qethun: Ni skuld ist galagjan thata in kaurbanan, unte andawairthi 
> blothis ist.
> 7 thanuh runa nimands bauhtedun us im akrs this kasjins du hlaiwa 
> framathjaim.
> 8 Duththe haihait akrs jains `Akrs Blothis' und hita.
> 
> 
> Wulfila:
> 
> 3 thanuh gasaihvands Iudas sa galewjands ina thatei du stauai 
> gatauhans warth, idreigonds gawandida thans thrins tiguns 
> silubrinaize gudjam jah sinistam
> 4 qithands: frawaurhta mis galewjands bloth swikn. ith eis qethun: 
> hva kara unsis? thu witeis.
> 5 jah atwairpands thaim silubr<ein>am in alh aflaith, jah 
> galeithands ushaihah sik.
> 6 ith thai gudjans nimandans thans skattans qethun: ni skuld ist 
> lagjan thans in kaurbaunan, unte andawairthi blothis ist.
> 7 garuni than nimandans usbauhtedun us thaim thana akr kasjins, du 
> usfilhan ana gastim.
> 8 duththe haitans warth akrs jains akrs blothis und hina dag.






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