[gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German

[Егоров Владимир]

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Hi Tore!

I have to grieve you. You contradict to yourself.
It is commonly accepted that only a restricted circle 
of high ranked Khazarian rulers (the kagan, beks etc.) 
really adopted Judaism. The new religion did not spread 
among Khazarian population. This fact is known 
from narrative sources and well confirmed by archaeology. 
Hence, your "ruling class" that "were Turks" had to speak 
a Turkish language, not Gothic. Since that Turkish language 
was not written one, the Khazars used Hebrew 
(like Latin in Medieval Europe) for their documents 
and correspondence, not Yiddish. Further, where is 
the area, which "was previously Gothic"? Where did 
the local population speak Gothic in 8th century? 
Perhaps in Crimea, not on the banks of Don-river. 
By the way, your reference to Zolotye Gorki is absolutely 
irrelevant as the site represents the Saltovo-Mayatsk culture 
with no connection to the Goths and Chernyakhovsk culture.
Nevertheless the problem remains. Origination of modern Jews, 
of at least Eastern Europe, from Khazaria is a very promising 
hypothesis, but there are some reefs on a direct way 
you tried to run recklessly.

Best wishes,
Vladimir


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From: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com [mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Tore Gannholm
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:20 AM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German


Hi Tom,
I fully agree with you.
Khazaria converted to Judaism in the 8 th century and imported rabbis 
to lead their new religion. Even if the ruling class were Turks the 
area was previously Gothic and there must have been some Gothic 
speaking population left in this area.
As far as I understand the language of the Jewish Khazarian state is 
the origin of Jiddish.

Se about recent excavations 
http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/picturestones_/khazar/default.htm


Tore


On Apr 27, 2005, at 10:44 PM, macmaster at riseup.net wrote:

> Hi all,
>  I am curious if anyone knows anything about the Yiddish language and 
> its
>  possible ties to Gothic.
>  While the conventional model of the origins of Yiddish has it being
>  brought to eastern and central Europe from the Rhineland roughly at 
> the
>  time of the Crusades and makes it a medieval Rhenish dialect, an
>  acquaintance of mine asserts that the Yiddish language has more in 
> common
>  (in grammar, morphology, vocabulary, etc) with the East Germanic 
> languages
>  of the early middle ages than with the German of the Rhine.
>  Not reading Hebrew and knowing less than "ein bissel Yiddishe", I 
> can't
>  judge his hypothesis.  Maybe someone knows more and can speak on this?
>
>  thanks,
>  Tom MacMaster
>
>
>
>
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