[gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German

[Tore Gannholm]

Hi Vladimir,
Thanks for your points.
I get contradicting impressions when I read various authors. However
the subject is very interesting and I think it needs much more
attention.
Tore


On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Егоров Владимир wrote:

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> Hi Tore!
>
> I have to grieve you. You contradict to yourself.
> It is commonly accepted that only a restricted circle
> of high ranked Khazarian rulers (the kagan, beks etc.)
> really adopted Judaism. The new religion did not spread
> among Khazarian population. This fact is known
> from narrative sources and well confirmed by archaeology.
> Hence, your "ruling class" that "were Turks" had to speak
> a Turkish language, not Gothic. Since that Turkish language
> was not written one, the Khazars used Hebrew
> (like Latin in Medieval Europe) for their documents
> and correspondence, not Yiddish. Further, where is
> the area, which "was previously Gothic"? Where did
> the local population speak Gothic in 8th century?
> Perhaps in Crimea, not on the banks of Don-river.
> By the way, your reference to Zolotye Gorki is absolutely
> irrelevant as the site represents the Saltovo-Mayatsk culture
> with no connection to the Goths and Chernyakhovsk culture.
> Nevertheless the problem remains. Origination of modern Jews,
> of at least Eastern Europe, from Khazaria is a very promising
> hypothesis, but there are some reefs on a direct way
> you tried to run recklessly.
>
> Best wishes,
> Vladimir
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German
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>
> Hi Tom,
> I fully agree with you.
> Khazaria converted to Judaism in the 8 th century and imported rabbis
> to lead their new religion. Even if the ruling class were Turks the
> area was previously Gothic and there must have been some Gothic
> speaking population left in this area.
> As far as I understand the language of the Jewish Khazarian state is
> the origin of Jiddish.
>
> Se about recent excavations
> http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/picturestones_/khazar/default.htm
>
>
> Tore
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2005, at 10:44 PM, macmaster at riseup.net wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>  I am curious if anyone knows anything about the Yiddish language and
>> its
>>  possible ties to Gothic.
>>  While the conventional model of the origins of Yiddish has it being
>>  brought to eastern and central Europe from the Rhineland roughly at
>> the
>>  time of the Crusades and makes it a medieval Rhenish dialect, an
>>  acquaintance of mine asserts that the Yiddish language has more in
>> common
>>  (in grammar, morphology, vocabulary, etc) with the East Germanic
>> languages
>>  of the early middle ages than with the German of the Rhine.
>>  Not reading Hebrew and knowing less than "ein bissel Yiddishe", I
>> can't
>>  judge his hypothesis.  Maybe someone knows more and can speak on
>> this?
>>
>>  thanks,
>>  Tom MacMaster
>>
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