[gothic-l] Re: Neologisms Dictionary

Sat Jan 22 17:45:40 UTC 2005

Fredrik,

A few random thoughts about Francisc's old list:

Gauþaland > Gautaland (the -th- I think is just an affected spelling 
used in later times to look more like the Greek word Gotthoi).

Dunawi / Donawi "Danube" -- Czarnecki has -o-, which would be the 
Gothic/Germanic vowel corresponding to /a:/ in the Celtic and Latin 
forms.

aket/akeit -- introducing special distinctions might be confusing, 
as this is a very common spelling fluctuation.  I suppose the 
older "correct" form would be aket.

Genetive and adjectival compounds: there is evidence that the normal 
unemphatic tendency in Gothic was for adjectives and genitive 
qualifiers to precede the noun, as can be seen where more than one 
word is required to match a single Greek word, e.g. wilþeis 
alewabagms "wild olive tree", airþos waurstwja "farmer"--so maybe 
rather: swiblein aket, etc.

salmo "salmon" -- how about the native *lahs?

Some other sources for neologisms:

http://www.angelfire.com/goth/kuni/
http://members.aol.com/yahyam/BagmeBloma.html
http://www.stormloader.com/carver/gutrazda/
http://matthewcarver.com/gutrazda/

The last is Matthew's newer site, but unfortunately it doesn't seem 
to be working these days.  It had some fun stuff composed by members 
of this list, long before I joined.  His old site also has Tolkien's 
Bagme Bloma.  (Re which: wagjand lindos seems more like it ought to 
be "they shake lindens/shields?" than "...gently".  And fraujinon 
takes dative, so: fraujinondei fairgunja -- which wrecks the rhyme 
scheme, I know...)  There is a newer corrected version of Tim 
O'Neil's Wulfila Poem here:

http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Post/226178

Llama Nom

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> 
> Thanx...
> 
> That seems to be a quite good idea, to collect neologisms from 
> different persons...
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Excellent stuff, Fredrik!
> > 
> > I just looked at the dictionary.  When I have time I'll extract 
the 
> > approximately 20 neologisms from my English-Gothic dictionary 
for 
> > you.  If this is okay with Francisc, it would be good to include 
> his 
> > creations and make a really big combined effort.  > 
> > Llama Nom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > Llama Nom
> > > 
> > > I totaly agree with anuþs instead of anuds. And with d in 
plural 
> > and 
> > > some cases in singular. The similarity with 'anus' that some 
> > > mentioned ain't that shocking. If I remember right that word 
> > > means 'ring', and what is shocking about that, (except the 
> obvious 
> > > reason)?
> > > 
> > > I read the post 1223 and found that very interesting. A lot of 
> > those 
> > > words are similar to neologisms I "made" myself.
> > > Such words as potato and strawberry are the same as I thought 
of.
> > > I don't think I've seen any word for nut anywhere som guess it 
> > would 
> > > be like hnutus or something like that, (don't know which 
gender). 
> > To 
> > > continue the same way of making the words of potato and 
stawberry 
> > > with the word aírþa- as first part, I'd like to add the word 
> > > aírþahnutus as peanut. (swedish: jordnöt = peanut).
> > > 
> > > About the word for president 1223 had faursitands, and i 
thought 
> > of 
> > > faurasitands. Is faur better than faura in this case?
> > > 
> > > I have a list of neologisms (and some, maybe 5 non neologisms) 
if 
> > > some one is interested. I guess some are not that well done, 
cos 
> I 
> > > made em when I wasn't that good at this. But I hope you can 
tell 
> > me 
> > > corrections.
> > > It's on a website that is:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/gutiska/lex/neologism.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > /Fredrik
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oscar,
> > > > 
> > > > Ni ibnaleik ak galeik! ("Not equal, but similar", to 
paraphrase 
> > the 
> > > > Skeireins...)  Ahaks "pigeon".  Anaks "suddenly".  But 
alright 
> > for 
> > > > alliteration, oh dear:
> > > > 
> > > > Nu skulum namnjan
> > > > namna fugle,
> > > > anuþ jah ahak,
> > > > all þatei fliugiþ,
> > > > hrabn hrukjandan,
> > > > hraiwadubon,
> > > > aran swaswe agatja,
> > > > airþabundanana hanan.
> > > > Gauros gansuns
> > > > goljand sik uhtwon.
> > > > Falka sa frija
> > > > ufar fulþon galaiþ,
> > > > unafswaggwiþs
> > > > sweþauh waijiþ.
> > > > Sparwan, sparwari
> > > > bi spedistin qiþa.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Fredrik,
> > > > 
> > > > Looks good to me.  I'd wondered about this word ages ago, 
> before 
> > I 
> > > > had access to all these great dictionaries on the internet.  
I 
> > > can't 
> > > > remember what conclusion I reached, if any, but I didn't 
know 
> > about 
> > > > the Lithuanian cognate then--which I think is what suggests 
an 
> i-
> > > > stem.  Makes a nice addition to our Gothic vocabulary!
> > > > 
> > > > The normal practice is to change -d to -þ at the end of a 
word 
> > or 
> > > > before -s, but sometimes the -d was written as such.  E.g. 
gods 
> > & 
> > > > goþs both occur, and by chance the former is actually more 
> > common.  
> > > > Apparently such spellings are most often found in certain 
> > specific 
> > > > sections of the Bible, e.g. Luke's gospel.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh and on the subject of reconstructing vocabulary, you 
might 
> be 
> > > > interested in Post 1223, a very early message from Francisc 
> > which I 
> > > > came across recently.  Especially the ingenious lists of 
> > chemical 
> > > > and geographical terms.
> > > > 
> > > > The Cleasby & Vigfusson Icelandic-English Dictionary has 
some 
> > > > interesting comments on Gothic, including at least one 
probable 
> > > loan-
> > > > word into Old Spanish, not listed in Koebler: 
*brano "heifer" 
> > > (young 
> > > > female cow) = OIc. brana.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And finally, Francisc,
> > > > 
> > > > Good work on the Crossword!  I've added your guesses.  I 
hope 
> it 
> > > > isn't making anyone too cross yet...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Llama Nom
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA 
<duke.co at s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > waila,so waurd anaks(pigeons) samaleika ist...
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fredrik <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't do much so i think about words in gothic which i 
> > cannot 
> > > > find 
> > > > > in any dicctionary. Now it's the gothic word for duck. I 
have 
> > > > > searched for it in all dicctionaries I know about on 
internet 
> > but 
> > > > > without finding any so i took the freedom to recreate it 
> > instead.
> > > > > I wonder if you think this is ok or if not.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The word in swedish is 'and' (or in another form 'anka') 
and 
> > the 
> > > > > german is 'ente'. Acording to some books and dicctionaries 
> > (like 
> > > > > runeberg.org) this comes from *anuðiz.
> > > > > I guess this would have been 'anuds' in gothic, and an i-
stem.
> > > > > The icelandic önd and the german ente is both feminine so 
> > > > therefore 
> > > > > I guess the gothic word also is feminine.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Comments please!
> > > > > 
> > > > > /Fredrik
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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