Emigration av Goths

[Tore Gannholm]

Hi Wilhelm,


On Feb 4, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Wilhelm Otto wrote:

> Hi Tore,
>
> Our research question is, as I have got it, “Did the Goths emanate  
> from
> Scandinavia to emmigrate into Central Europe?
>
> Those who believe that this was the case refer to Jordanes. And I  
> refer to
> Peter Heather who tells us about evidence for the Goths  
> Scandinavian origins
> has been found in two elements of the Geticas text; the story of  
> Berig but
> also the names of some Scandinavian tribes which are mentioned just  
> before
> it (Getica 19 – 24). This later part mentions Vagoth, Gauthigoth and
> Ostrogoth. This demonstrates such a profound knowledge of the  
> tribes first
> home that it is proof in itself.
>
> Heather admits “that the story of Berig and his migration genuinely  
> reflect
> Gothic story telling in some way, but he is less sure that the  
> original
> Gothic stories mentioned Scandinavia”. And he goes on: “Indeed the  
> pattern
> of the evidence here is in some ways similar to the original  
> stories, which
> have survived for another Germanic people, the Lombards.” (Both  
> books) “by
> Paul the Deacon reports that the Lombards original home was  
> Scandinavia. But
> there is reason to think that Paul was at least influenced by  
> having read
> Jordanes. A third text, the so called Codex Gothanum, although  
> telling not
> dissimilar stories about some of the same people nevertheless  
> situates the
> Lombards’ first home on the extreme boundary of Gaul. This is  
> exactly where
> they were located by Tacitus (Germania 40)…) And Heather goes on to  
> show the
> intellectual processes at work. The recorders had to make sense out  
> of the
> material they had, and it was obscure.
>
> But is this a foundation for a firm belief? I personally think it  
> is not. So
> we go to archaeology to find support for our view. Heather claims  
> that the
> Gotho-Gepidan Culture was older south of the Baltic than  
> northwards. When it
> comes to dating he writes:
>
> The appearance of more-developed types of an object can be reasonably
> presumed to be subsequent to simpler, therefore earlier, forms.  
> eaTHERS In
> recent years, the systematic analysis of an ever-increasing body of  
> material
> has allowed the typologies of a whole series of objects to be  
> defined with
> much greater security. But any individual type of brooch or buckle  
> might
> have been adapted at different times in different areas, or,  
> indeed, or
> deliberately retained as antiques. Dating has come to rely,  
> therefore, not
> on individual objects but on groups of them. (Heather page 19)
>
> This takes, as I read it, the stress from one singular element and  
> presents
> a holistic mode of dating method. Thereby we have left the medieval
> scholastic forms of argument behind us. It is not enough to find a  
> single
> bit which does not fit into the system. It is to find a better  
> system. Still
> You have not shown that the Culture is older on Gotland than south  
> of the
> Baltic.

There is nothing that says that the culture south of the Baltic is  
older than that on Gotland.
If you have read Kaliff's book you can see that there is a common  
culture in the Baltic with Gotland in the middle.
The La Téne culture had great influence on Gotland.
In the centuries BC there are many similarities in the archaeology  
between Gotland and northern Poland.

I don't know which languages you can read, however here are some  
links to my private research library

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/romaniron_/kulturcentrum/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/romaniron_/origo/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/wielbarksites/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/schatze/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/actaarchaeologi/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/nordthrark/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/latene/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/makiewicz/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/moorfunden/default.htm

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/hachmann/default.htm

Tore


>
> The problem of how and to a certain extent when people moved will be
> elucidated in a not so distant future, when the analyses of our  
> genes and
> such like will come a bit further. It is already well on its way.  
> National
> Geographic and other (IBM) are doing a wonderful job at  
> reconstructing the
> movements of various people on the globe. This work is based on our  
> genetic
> markers. The present situation may be studied at
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic"http:// 
> www.nationalgeographic
> .com/genographic
>
> Just click on the Atlas of the Human Journey. There you may find  
> the genetic
> markers showing how people migrated until fairly late times. We can  
> not yet
> follow the Goths journey across Europe. We might never be able to  
> do it. I
> think the Goths were a social construction, which did not stand for  
> the same
> thing during the years. What for any given time was Gothic varied.  
> The link
> to NG gives us, however, a reminder of the evolution of science. Yours
>
> Wilhelm
>



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