Boz = Bus < *Baus?

[?????? ????????]

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Just in the bull's eye, Tore! It is commonly accepted that "Slovo o polku Igoreve" was written in the late XII c.! As a matter of fact, no one Russian written document knows anything definite about the Russian history earlier than the late X c. when St. Vladimir baptized Russia, and the country acquired its written (Old Church Slavonic) language. Accordingly, first Russian chronicles were put down somewhere in the middle XI c. For the "Slovo's" author, Vladimir the Baptizer (Old Vladimir in "Slovo") is the most aged real person. Everything beyond that bound is legendary, mythic and absolutely not trustworthy.

Vladimir


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From: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com [mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tore Gannholm
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 3:24 PM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Boz = Bus < *Baus?


Hi,

 From which century is the source you refer to?

Tore


On Jul 15, 2006, at 10:14 AM, ualarauans wrote:

> Excuse my contributing again to this rather Slavic than Gothic
> topic, but it just came to my mind that the “Slovo o polku Igoreve”
> may have been told after a hypothetical ”Yngvárs saga ok  
> fólks hans”
> with inherent reminiscences kept of the Goths being akin to the
> actual Varangian dynasty.
>
> In case it happens to be of interest for somebody who isn’t well
> familiar with the source (or doesn’t read Cyrillic), I tried to put
> the fragment of the Lay in question as follows: (errors in the
> transliteration and the Gothic (back-?)translation are to be imputed
> to me)
>
> Se bo gotÜskyję krasnyję děvy
> vÚspěšę na brězě sinemu morju:
> zvonę RusÜskymÜ zlatomÜ,
> pojųtÚ vrěmę Busovo,
> lelějųtÚ mÜstÜ Šarokanju
>
> Sai auk gutiskos skaunjos (1) maujos
> ufsuggwun ana statha blewaizos mareins:
> fetjandeins sik(2) rothsiskamma gultha,
> liuthond theihsa Bausis(3),
> lustond fraweitis Sarwakonis(4)
>
> An English version is here (I still doubt I understood everything
> right, so plz don’t be evil to me, OK):
>
> Behold the beautiful Gothic maids
> singing at the coast of the blue sea [the Black Sea?]:
> ringing with Rus’ish gold [which the victorious Goths stole from the
> treasury of the Antes??]
> they praise the time of Bus [under whom the Antes were defeated???]
> they wish that Sharokan could (be) avenge(d) (?) [a place quite not
> clear to me]
>
> Phonetic notes:
> _ę_ stands for nasal /e/, _ų_ for nasal /o/ which both  
> were most
> probably spoken already as /a/ resp. /u/ in the time of the Lay;  
> _ě_
> marks a long vowel which became /’e/ in Russian, /i/ in Ukrainian
> and /ia/ in Polish (what was it then?), in Gothic loanwords it
> reflects diphthongal -ai-, as in OCSl. xlěbÚ “bread” < Go.  
> hlaib-;
> _Ü_ and _Ú_ are conventional signs for Slavic reduced /i/ resp. /u/.
>
> Semantic notes:
> (1) Russian Vorlage hat it literally “raudos maujos”
> (2) literally “ringing with”, what means they have put on some
> jewelry made of that gold?
> (3) *Baus (i-stem) is an attempt to create a Gothic etymology of the
> name, its literal meaning then being “evil-minded” (NHG böse) –
> quite to the point when talking of a leader of some enemy tribe
> which later became mythicized  (“The Evil One” (*Baus) ruling over a
> people of “giants” (*Anteis) – how you like that?). Then pre-
> Wulfilan *Baus [baus] > Late Gothic [bo:s] written down as Boz by
> Jordanes, and [baus] > quite regularly Slavic [bus] in the Lay (???).
> (4) ŠarokanÜ* seems to be Turkic, from sary “yellow” and ka(gh)
> an “sovereign”, “khan”. It could be rendered like [fraweitis] Gilwis
> Thiudanis, my *Sarwakons is just slapdash constructed from the words
> sarwa- “weapon” and *kons (i-stem) “brave”, “known”, “renowned”.
>
> For a non-Germanic etymology of Boz there might be of some reference:
> Ossetic buz “thankful”, buznyg “thanks!”;
> an etymology involving Turkish boz “grey” could also be considered
> in the context of the question about (proto-)Turkic identity of
> (some) Huns (we know the Huns meddled in that case of Uinitharius
> vs. Boz – Get. 248-9)
>
> Ualarauans
>
> P.S. I discovered lately Ossetic ændæ “beyond” (Sanskr.
> ánta “end”, “border”, hence Antes = “frontier tribes”) pointed  
> out
> in G. Vernadsky’s  “Das frühe Slawentum“ (V. Bern., 1956, p.  
> 256),
> but I couldn’t find the word in my dictionary (why?)
>
>
>
>
>
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