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[Tore Gannholm]

Ingemar,
Thank you.
This is the best way I have seen this explained. It also fits very  
well in with our earlier discussions. I hope Dirk reads it also.

Tore

On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:

> Hi Michal,
>
>>   So, You mean  - if I understud it correct - that there is no
> lineal connection between
>>   "gothic homeland" - at least I heard so but im not a specialist on
> this topic - in southern scandinavia and Vistula Goths? And  if there
> is a connection, than of what kind?
>
> There is a connection as far as I see. The wandering Vistula Goths
> might be a mixture of indigenous Wielbark people with roots from the
> Oxhöfde and other local cultures with  adding of people from all over
> Scandinavia and Gotland. Whether the religious origin is from
> Scandinavia or if it is common is unclear but regarding the remaining
> geographical names and my analysis of the developement in Scandinavia
> from the last part of the bronze age and during the pre-Roman Iron Age
> this origin is probably Scandinavian. The Scandinavian immigrants are
> however seemingly a minority having imposed their belief by means of
> Gefolgschaft groups according to the model of Pritsak and his
> carismatic clans. This have taken place during a longer period from
> about 350 BC to around beginning of CE and the last addment is with
> the forming of the Gepids around 200 CE. Heather regards Wielbark as a
> not homogenous group archaeologically but giving the impression of a
> cultic league. The contacts between these peoples probably were upheld
> also during the Gothic wars and finds in Scandinavia suggest that
> Scandinavians took part in the wars and the finds increase after the
> defeat of the Huns when seemingly som groups returned up here. There
> is local tales of the 'Hunahär'-the Hunnic army or Hunnerheere. Anders
> Kaliff in his Gothic Connections also has shown intensive contacts
> between chieftains in Scandinavia and the Vistula area alredy during
> late Bronze Age. Hence the Geats are related to the Gautar or Jutar
> and so indirectly to the Goths, but they never took part of the Gothic
> wars or cooperated with the Continental Goths.
>
>>
>>   What exactly do You mean by term "teophoric" - Gaut is some kind
> of mythical ancestor?
>
> Gaut is evidently an original creator god from whom both the peoples
> and also the royal families descend. All Gothic tribes/peoples have
> taken their name after the god-hence teophoric. Later he was combined
> with Óðinn to Óðinn-Gaut. It means those royal families of both the
> Goths, The Jutes and other AS royal families begin with a semi-god - a
> son of a human and a god. The Gothic kings were just regarded as
> heroes- i.e. semi-gods. Note that all people that claim ancestry from
> Gaut and all royal families who do that are either provenly come from
> Scandinavia or claim to do so. Hence Gaut was a Scandinavian
> predecessor to the later continental cult of Óðinn which took power in
> Scandinavia finally around 500 CE.
>
> I do not know where you live, but I can inform that there will be a
> symposion in Sweden in august this year where I am moderator. There
> the leading Scandinavian and North German researchers will lecture for
> three days about the topic 'Cult, Gold and Power' and these topics
> above will be treated among else. We have 21 lecturers and it will all
> be published later with English summaries in a book that I will edit.
> But till then I suggest you read my book, because the arguments I can
> give in this discussion are not sufficiently convincing without the
> hard background-stuff of details.
>
> Best
> Ingemar
>



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