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my rendition of the grail.........weihagragl.......ik gawigan thuts af stoth du stoth,ni ewa aflifnandan in stoth ain, ewa soknjandan, galeikaida knauts gasoknjana, faur tho gragl swaswe luif, swe nehwa auk swaswe fairrapro,nehwajaba in siuna, auk ni ewa siunitha, ik gag ana jah ana, unte tho anda ist nehwa ina, jah ik mag hausjan aggilus wulthein haitadam, ik skal drigk fram tho stikl, skal wisa gabigein jah silds thai thaurba, faur in tho anda, tho stikl libain wilja haldan, jah libain wulthein ist, jah gakunnan sah, ik gasoknjan.......oscar

Tore Gannholm <tore at gannholm.org> wrote:  Ingemar,
Thank you.
This is the best way I have seen this explained. It also fits very 
well in with our earlier discussions. I hope Dirk reads it also.

Tore

On Mar 25, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:

> Hi Michal,
>
>> So, You mean - if I understud it correct - that there is no
> lineal connection between
>> "gothic homeland" - at least I heard so but im not a specialist on
> this topic - in southern scandinavia and Vistula Goths? And if there
> is a connection, than of what kind?
>
> There is a connection as far as I see. The wandering Vistula Goths
> might be a mixture of indigenous Wielbark people with roots from the
> Oxhöfde and other local cultures with adding of people from all over
> Scandinavia and Gotland. Whether the religious origin is from
> Scandinavia or if it is common is unclear but regarding the remaining
> geographical names and my analysis of the developement in Scandinavia
> from the last part of the bronze age and during the pre-Roman Iron Age
> this origin is probably Scandinavian. The Scandinavian immigrants are
> however seemingly a minority having imposed their belief by means of
> Gefolgschaft groups according to the model of Pritsak and his
> carismatic clans. This have taken place during a longer period from
> about 350 BC to around beginning of CE and the last addment is with
> the forming of the Gepids around 200 CE. Heather regards Wielbark as a
> not homogenous group archaeologically but giving the impression of a
> cultic league. The contacts between these peoples probably were upheld
> also during the Gothic wars and finds in Scandinavia suggest that
> Scandinavians took part in the wars and the finds increase after the
> defeat of the Huns when seemingly som groups returned up here. There
> is local tales of the 'Hunahär'-the Hunnic army or Hunnerheere. Anders
> Kaliff in his Gothic Connections also has shown intensive contacts
> between chieftains in Scandinavia and the Vistula area alredy during
> late Bronze Age. Hence the Geats are related to the Gautar or Jutar
> and so indirectly to the Goths, but they never took part of the Gothic
> wars or cooperated with the Continental Goths.
>
>>
>> What exactly do You mean by term "teophoric" - Gaut is some kind
> of mythical ancestor?
>
> Gaut is evidently an original creator god from whom both the peoples
> and also the royal families descend. All Gothic tribes/peoples have
> taken their name after the god-hence teophoric. Later he was combined
> with Óðinn to Óðinn-Gaut. It means those royal families of both the
> Goths, The Jutes and other AS royal families begin with a semi-god - a
> son of a human and a god. The Gothic kings were just regarded as
> heroes- i.e. semi-gods. Note that all people that claim ancestry from
> Gaut and all royal families who do that are either provenly come from
> Scandinavia or claim to do so. Hence Gaut was a Scandinavian
> predecessor to the later continental cult of Óðinn which took power in
> Scandinavia finally around 500 CE.
>
> I do not know where you live, but I can inform that there will be a
> symposion in Sweden in august this year where I am moderator. There
> the leading Scandinavian and North German researchers will lecture for
> three days about the topic 'Cult, Gold and Power' and these topics
> above will be treated among else. We have 21 lecturers and it will all
> be published later with English summaries in a book that I will edit.
> But till then I suggest you read my book, because the arguments I can
> give in this discussion are not sufficiently convincing without the
> hard background-stuff of details.
>
> Best
> Ingemar
>



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