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[Michal Cigan]

Hallo Ingemar
  
 Thanx for Your "invitation", but  I live in Slovakia / attention, not Slovenia :) / - so it could be  little bit problem to join that "action" for me - but I'm interested in  that planned summarying book - please let me know, when it will be  actual /and You wil remember :)/
  
  Your "gothic concept" seems to me interesting - especially from one reason:
  maybe this facts could be responsible for (or at least could have  something to do with) the phenomenon which can be observed - more or  less - across all the germanic mediaval tradition, especially in epic  genre: I mean, that many of them - old english, scandinavian, german -  bear something like "gothic stamp" - concerning some heroes, events,  stories and so on. 
  Do You have, or anyone else, any additional idea, from what reason those traditions have such a "gothic stamp"?

Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar at nordgren.se> wrote:        Hi Michal,
  
  >   So, You mean  - if I understud it correct - that there is no
  lineal connection between
  >   "gothic homeland" - at least I heard so but im not a specialist on
  this topic - in southern scandinavia and Vistula Goths? And  if there
  is a connection, than of what kind? 
  
  There is a connection as far as I see. The wandering Vistula Goths
  might be a mixture of indigenous Wielbark people with roots from the
  Oxhöfde and other local cultures with  adding of people from all over
  Scandinavia and Gotland. Whether the religious origin is from
  Scandinavia or if it is common is unclear but regarding the remaining
  geographical names and my analysis of the developement in Scandinavia
  from the last part of the bronze age and during the pre-Roman Iron Age
  this origin is probably Scandinavian. The Scandinavian immigrants are
  however seemingly a minority having imposed their belief by means of
  Gefolgschaft groups according to the model of Pritsak and his 
  carismatic clans. This have taken place during a longer period from
  about 350 BC to around beginning of CE and the last addment is with
  the forming of the Gepids around 200 CE. Heather regards Wielbark as a
  not homogenous group archaeologically but giving the impression of a
  cultic league. The contacts between these peoples probably were upheld
  also during the Gothic wars and finds in Scandinavia suggest that
  Scandinavians took part in the wars and the finds increase after the
  defeat of the Huns when seemingly som groups returned up here. There
  is local tales of the 'Hunahär'-the Hunnic army or Hunnerheere. Anders
  Kaliff in his Gothic Connections also has shown intensive contacts
  between chieftains in Scandinavia and the Vistula area alredy during
  late Bronze Age. Hence the Geats are related to the Gautar or Jutar
  and so indirectly to the Goths, but they never took part of the Gothic
  wars or cooperated with the Continental Goths.
  
  >   
  >   What exactly do You mean by term "teophoric" - Gaut is some kind
  of mythical ancestor?
  
  Gaut is evidently an original creator god from whom both the peoples
  and also the royal families descend. All Gothic tribes/peoples have
  taken their name after the god-hence teophoric. Later he was combined
  with Óðinn to Óðinn-Gaut. It means those royal families of both the
  Goths, The Jutes and other AS royal families begin with a semi-god - a
  son of a human and a god. The Gothic kings were just regarded as
  heroes- i.e. semi-gods. Note that all people that claim ancestry from
  Gaut and all royal families who do that are either provenly come from
  Scandinavia or claim to do so. Hence Gaut was a Scandinavian
  predecessor to the later continental cult of Óðinn which took power in
  Scandinavia finally around 500 CE.
  
  I do not know where you live, but I can inform that there will be a
  symposion in Sweden in august this year where I am moderator. There
  the leading Scandinavian and North German researchers will lecture for
  three days about the topic 'Cult, Gold and Power' and these topics
  above will be treated among else. We have 21 lecturers and it will all
  be published later with English summaries in a book that I will edit.
  But till then I suggest you read my book, because the arguments I can
  give in this discussion are not sufficiently convincing without the
  hard background-stuff of details.
  
  Best
  Ingemar
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
          

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