Visigothic identity of Spain

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, PatrMcGin at ... wrote:
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> The family tradition is probably correct. 



Hi Patrick,

no it isn't, apprently. The point was that the family tradition was 
made up to create a false ancestry in order to connect the Guzmans 
to the Catholic Visigoths. The name Guzman is apparently moorish 
and 'surpressed' family documents confirm their moorish origins. 



Several years ago I did fair amount 
> of research on the whole topic of the Visigoths in Spain and the 
Muslim 
> conquest. Most of the Visigoth nobles had to convert to Islam to 
keep their lands 
> after the Conquest. The Visigoths were largely Arians any way and 
Islam was 
> more consistent with Arianism than Catholicism with its idea of 
the Trinity.


By the early 8th century all of the Visigothic nobles would have 
been Catholics, even if some covert Arianism may still have lingered 
on in some isolated regions. The only official creed was 
Catholicism, whereas Arianism had been abolished some 150 years 
before the arrivial of the Muslims. 

By 711 the Visigoths were already well integrated in the Hispanic 
majority population. Already since about 650AD documents only refer 
to Hispanic and not to Visigothic. With the Muslim conquest their 
fate, and especially that of the elites would have been threefold: 
some will have perished in the conquest, some will have fled to the 
north and others (probably most) integrated, intermarried and 
converted with islamic culture.

Cheers,
Dirk









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