Want your suggestions

[ualarauans]

Hails, Frithureik

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at ...> wrote:
>
> I want to here your suggestions about some words.
> 
> First I want to hear about my suggestion 
for 'halo' / 'aura' / 'nimbus'.
> It is 'wulthuliuhath'. Based on german heiligenschein and icel.
> dýrðarljómi.

The "light of glory" is good! Moreover that AFAIK wulthus is used 
mostly in the religious sense in the Gothic Bible. Could it also be 
*wulthuwaips M.-i (?) or *wulthuwipja F.-jo "corona gloriae" if 
specifically referring to the disc of light surrounding heads of 
saints, so that the both elements alliterate; or, descriptively, 
liuhadeina wipja as a more "technical" term (cf. thaurneina wipja 
Mc. 15:17)? When you being a Gothic neophyte trying to paint some 
images on a wall in a new-erected/restored church in Gothia Minor, 
you may be told by your tutor (probably a Byzantine captive): 
gasatei jah jainamma wipja tho liuhadein, unte weiha ist. But when 
on a sermon they would probably say: insaihvaith du wulthuwipjom 
weihane gudis, thozei skeinand in andwairthja manne...

Btw, the Greek word stephanos "crown" which Gothic waips and wipja 
translate did in fact connote "glory" by itself, as winners in 
public competitions were decorated with such crowns in Hellas. When 
looking for a Gothic word for "nimbus" we perhaps should bear in 
mind that this was no Germanic item, and that the historic Goths 
could have seen it on icons and frescoes in Byzantium and later in 
Italy. What was the Greek word for it? It could (have) serve(d) as a 
base for a Gothic one. For example, if it were *hierostephanos or 
*hagiostephanos, it could be calqued as *weihawipja or borrowed as 
*iairustaifanus, maybe.

> Here's what I need you to help me with:
> 
> 1) Politics, political, politician.

Nice occasion to start thinking what the politics actually is :)
a) science or art of governing a state. If "state" be reiki (it also 
can imply "state power" I guess), then it could be a compound with 
reiki- or a couple of words. I'd suggest *reikileisei F.-n as an 
abstract noun (lit. "knowledge of rule", like lubjaleisei "knowledge 
of herbs" > "witchcraft"). "Political" being then *reikileis, 
and "politician" – substantivized *reikileis, sa *reikileisa (just 
like lubjaleisai pl. translating Greek noun GOHTES in 2. Tim 3:13).
b) political affairs, i.e. debates, elections etc – no idea at the 
moment.
c) political principles - muneis (pl.) bi *reikinassu? *reikinassus 
M.-u would probably come close to what we mean with "state policy", 
i.e. "way of those at power to act in internal or external affairs", 
for instance, sa innuma reikinassus N-landis ist manamildeis. The 
verb reikinon attested as "to rule over smb./smth" could probably be 
used for "to execute political power". "Politician" as "statesman" – 
maybe *reikinonds M.-nd or something like?

> 2) Independent, (maybe also a word for dependent).
> I already used a word 'silbaraginonds' in the meaning 'self 
governing'
> so I want a word with a meaning so similar as possible to 
independent.

*silbaraginonds is good in that meaning. If we describe a country 
dependent on another country, could we invent smth like 
*skattagibands or *gildagibands, lit. "paying money", "tributary" 
(cf ON skattkonungr, a king dependent on another king and paying him 
tribute (skattr)). I know "tributary" didn't necessarily connote a 
political dependence as we understand it today, but the word could 
acquire more abstract semantics with time. For instance, both the 
Eastern and the Western Empires were *skattagibandona to Attila, but 
they weren't in fact politically dependent on the Hunnish tribal 
union, but only forced to pay them. But for nowadays, we could 
probably say: Fawaim menothum uslithanaim warth Swartafairguni reiki 
unskattagibando "a couple of months ago Montenegro became an 
independent state".

To emphasize that a country has liberated itself of a dependence 
which was very hard to bear, one could probably use *jukalaus as 
opposed to *ufjukeis -ja "subjugated" (after ufaitheis)

> 3) Relation, (german verhältniss).
> E.g. In the sentence: They have destroyed all the patriarchal and
> idyllic relations.

*gaha:hi N.-ja? Though it's more to German Zusammenhang (cf. the 
attested adverb gahahjo which Streitberg translates as "im 
Zusammenhang". Or maybe one could use gawiss
F.-i "Verbindung", "Band" (ibidem) in an abstract sense.
"Gaterun allos audagos gawissins thozei thai airizans anafulhun".

> 4) Personal, (may also a word for person).
> E.g. In the sentence: The personal dignity.

Probably a possessive pronoun + silbins M./silbons F. for "personal" 
would do. E.g. theina silbins wairthida "your personal dignity". To 
translate "person" is a difficult task. *manawaihts F.-i "individual 
human being"? Maybe mannisko N.-n, irrespective of the person's 
gender?
 
> 5) Admire.
> E.g. In the sentence: The two towers, which they so much admire.

sildaleikjan? Jaina twa kelikna ana thaimei (bi thoei, [in] thize) 
sildaleikjand swa abraba

> 6) Complement, (german ergänzung)

*biauk N.-a (bi-aukan "to add")?

> 7) Instrument, (not necessarly a musical instrument).
> Here I mean e.g. a instrument of production.

Maybe, *saru N.-wa, pl. sarwa, attested as "weapons", but cf. OE 
searo "device", "design", "arms", "equipment".

> This would realy help me alot. So please give me your best ideas.

Ualarauans






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