New file uploaded to gothic-l (Christmas and Yule)

[llama_nom]

> Feb. OE supports Sauil-,

All the sources I've seen cite 'sol' in OE Solmónaþ with a short
vowel: OE sol, n. "mud, mire, wet sand, wallowing place",
solu/solwe/sylu/syle, f. "mire, miry place"; sol, adjective "filthy",
solian "to make/become dirty", sylian "to make dirty", related by
ablaut to Go. bi-sáuljan.  So February is the muddy month, February
Fill-dyke (German variants: Volburn, Vulneburn), rather than the sunny
month!

http://runeberg.org/svetym/1029.html
http://runeberg.org/svetym/0911.html

Compare also the German name: Sollman (Selle, Sille, Sulle, Silmaent);
perhaps semantically related to Zelle, Zille, Zulle (cf. Go. *tulla
"sod", borrowed into Italian and distinguishable from Langobardic by
the unshifted initial consonant)?

LN




--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at ...> wrote:
>
> Hails
> 
> Good idea. It seems month names could be more flexible and adaptable
> in the Germanic world. I think it reasonable to take those month-names
> which most closely harmonize with the agricultural schedule of the
> societies in the area where Goths lived during the 4th century.
> According to the wiki page on Germanic calendars, December has Jul or
> its variant.
> 
> January in OE, ON supports Jiuleis. OHG supports *hardu-menoths or
> maybe eisa-
> 
> Feb. OE supports Sauil-, OHG supports Haurna-
> Mar. OE Hre∂, ON supports Go. aina-mnths., OHG supports Go.
> ?*Laggi(?t[h])an(-mnths.)
> 
> May, OE & OHG support *threi- or *thrija-miluk-
> 
> June OE uses the Li∂ system; ON supports *Sauil- and OHG has
Brach-
> "fallow"
> 
> July ON and OHG both support Go. *hawi- or hauja-mnths.
> 
> Aug. revolves around plants and harvest: Go. *asani-mnths "harvest
month".
> 
> Sep. OE, ON and OHG all support Go. *harbisi-mnths. "picking month".
> 
> Oct. lacks agreement.
> 
> Nov. might be something like nibla-mnths. or friuza-mnths.
> 
> Dec. would be Fruma Jiuleis I think.
> 
> 
> It might be good to consider monthnames in the style of ON Heyannir,
> OHG Scheiding, etc., that is the abstract or poetic terms rather than
> forms dependent on suffixing -menoths.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Many thanks for this Arthur.  I read it ages ago, but had 
> > completely
> > > forgotten that detail about the phantom status of *Naubaimbair!
> > > 
> > > http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/index.html
> > > http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/report.pdf
> > > 
> > > The relevant section is on p. 54.  Which leaves us with just 'fruma
> > > jiuleis' as the name of the month, and no way of knowing whether 
> > the
> > > illegible word was a synonym (*Naubaimbair or otherwise) or 
> > something
> > > else entirely.
> > 
> > But if Naubaimbair is a fancy, what's worth our reconstruction of 
> > the Gothic month names based on Latin? If only fruma jiuleis is 
> > attested, then one could logically suppose that all other Gothic 
> > month names were also Germanic. Afaik there were several Calender 
> > traditions in Germania, with their own month names. Which of them 
> > are we to follow? E.g. OHG and OE give only one match which could 
> > speak for Go. Austramenoþs "April".
> > 
> > Ualarauans
> > 
> > > Re. alternative names, I just came across the following Old West 
> > Norse
> > > and Old Swedish proposals: Dróttins burðar tíð; gudz födzlo hötidh 
> > [
> > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julfest ], neither of which caught on.
> > > So maybe we could have: 'fraujins mel gabaurþais', or similar.  
> > Bit of
> > > a mouthful, I know...  Thinks: does the final vowel in 
> > Finnish 'juhla'
> > > and 'joula' imply a specifically East Germanic origin for the
> > > loanword, as opposed to Proto Germanic -o or Proto Nordic -u?  If 
> > so,
> > > we have a nice piece of evidence for the survival of both versions 
> > in
> > > East Germanic: *jaihvla and *jiula.
> >
>


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