Inrto & question on Irtag

[OSCAR HERRERA]

for example you might try dusdag for tuesday ....and the other question is where all the group members, nobody is saying nothing.....

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, A. <xthanex at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: A. <xthanex at yahoo.com>
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Inrto & question on Irtag
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 7:40 AM






--- In gothic-l at yahoogroup s.com, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co at ... > wrote:
>
> faur insahts ju mahts fraisan dusdag faur tuesday..... swa swe 
thoughtaim meinaim

> 
and...
>
> wha iupra ist mith allaim innana hansaim gutane....ik niu haf 
hausjan ni waihts af ni ainshun....

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Sadly I have no idea what you said..... 
-Aydan

> --- On Sat, 11/15/08, A. <xthanex at ... > wrote:
> 
> From: A. <xthanex at ... >
> Subject: [gothic-l] Inrto & question on Irtag
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:19 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> My name is Aydan, I just joined the list but have long been 
> interested in proto-Germanic culture.
> 
> I have a question which I'm hoping my better informed list members 
> can help me with:
> 
> I'm struggling with the etymology of the Bavarian names for Teusday 
> (Ertag, Erichtag, Irtag, etc) and am hoping someone can shed some 
> light on the issue.
> 
> The following is taken from Jacob Grimm's Teutonic Mythology, 
chapter
> 9. Notes in [[ ... ]] are taken from Grimm's footnotes or Supplement
> section.
> 
> <begin quoted section>
> 
> Still more plainly are High German races, especially the Bavarian
> (Marcomannic) pointed to by that singular name for the third day of
> the week, Ertag, Iertag, Iertag, Irtag, Eritag, Erchtag, Erichtag,
> which answers to the rune Eor.
> 
> True, the compound Ertac lacks the genetive ending -s which is
> preserved in Ziestac, and I have not been so fortunate as to hunt up
> an Erestac (In a passage from Keisersberg quoted by Schm. 1, 97, it
> is spelt Eristag, apparently to favour the derivation from 'dies
> aeris.') in the older records of the 13-14 centuries; nevertheless
> the coincidence of the double names for the day and for the rune
> should be conclusive here, and we must suppose an OHG. Erestac, to
> match the Eresberg.
> 
> ((Grimm compares Zio to Zeus and then states:))
> we see at a glance that Eor, Er, Ear, is one with Arhj the son of
> Zeus;
> 
> Have we any means now left of getting at the sense of this obscure
> root Eor?
> The description of the rune in the AS. poem gives only a slight 
hint,
> it runs thus:
> 
> Eor is horrible to every knight,
> when the corpse quickly begins to cool
> and is laid in the bosom of the dark earth.
> Prosperity declines, happiness passes away
> and covenants are broken.
> 
> or
> 
> Earth is loathsome to each nobleman,
> when flesh firmly tries to choose the ground,
> fallen fruits as bedmates,
> joy vanishes,
> man turns traitor.
> ((Rune poem translations not from Grimm)
> 
> The description is of death coming on, and earthly joys dropping 
off;
> but who can that be, that at such a time is burdensome (egle, ail-
> some) to men? The ordinary meaning of ear, spica, arista, can be of
> no use here; I suppose that approaching dissolution, a personified
> death is to be understood, from which a transition to the 
destructive
> god of battles, the brotoluigÒj, miaifÒnoj Arhj , is easy to
> conceive. [[ Or, without the need of any transition, Ear might at
> once be Ares: 'war is burdensome in old age'.]]
> 
> Arhj itself is used abstractly by the Greeks for destruction, 
murder,
> pestilence, just as our Wuotan is for furor and belli impetus.
> 
> <end quoted section>
> 
> To follow up, I copied the next bit from the archives of this list:
> 
> <start section>
> 
> several weekdays names were borrowed by the Goths from the Greek in 
a
> manner like this:
> 
> ARHOS hHMERA "the day of Ares" > *Arjaus dags or *Areins dags > OB
> erintag > NB ertag, erchtag, ergetag, irtag, irchtag
> 
> PEMPTH hHMERA "the fifth day" (> via a colloquial compound
> *PENTHMERA - ?) > *paintedags > still more "Gothicized" *pintadags >
> NB pfinztag, pfünztag
> 
> PARASKEUH "(the day of) preparation" > paraskaiwe (Mc 15:42) >
> *pareinsdags > OB pferintag
> 
> SABBATOU hHMERA "the day of Sabbath" > sabbato dags (Mc 2:27 et
> passim) > *sambatadags > OB sambaztag > NHG Samstag
> 
> <end section>
> 
> How well supported is the the progression of ARHOS hHMERA > *Arjaus 
> dags or *Areins dags > OB erintag > NB ertag, erchtag, ergetag, 
> irtag, irchtag ... ???
> I'm curious as to how these Bavarian names descend from the Greek 
> Ares rather than the Latin Mars.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any ideas or help!
> -Aydan
> 

 













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