Some words

[Grsartor at AOL.COM]

Hailai,
 
Herewith, a few comments about suggestions for words not attested in  
Gothic, though probably not much in the way of material help.
 
The season-word we can be the most confident about is "wintrus", occurring  
in John 10:22. "Asans" is attested for summer, but it translates Greek 
words  that seem to have a sense of "harvest": theros and therismos. I do not 
know  whether for the Greeks the harvest was regarded as part of summer; but 
if so,  perhaps Wulfila would have chosen some other word if he had not been 
influenced  by the language he was translating.
 
As for the other seasons, I do not know whether there was much uniformity  
among the Germanic peoples in their names for spring and autumn, since it is 
 said they divided the year into only two seasons, winter and summer. The 
German  Lenz (cognate with English Lent) is said to derive from len(gi)zin, 
from  *langat-tin, which had the meaning "having long days". Icelandic "vor" 
looks  like Latin "ver", but whether they are related I do not know.
 
The word German and English share for "autumn" is Herbst/harvest. How this  
is related to Icelandic "haust", if at all, I do not know.
 
For a way of saying "too", in a sense that implies excess, perhaps  
"ufar"might be used. It occurs in "ufarfulls" = overfull, and looks like  Icelandic 
of/ofur, which has the same sense. However, "ufar" by no means seems  to 
have a general tendency to indicate excess: for example "ufargaggan" means to  
go over, to cross, rather than to go too far, and there are several other  
constructions that have "ufar" not implying that something has been done to  
excess.
 
For a word meaning to oppose, resist, or the like, use could possibly be  
made of something meaning to fight or contend (e.g. haifstjan, weihan) 
followed  by "withra" + accusative = against. In Codex A of Romans 9:13 a form of  
"andweihan" means "warring against". And in Luke 18:3 "andastathjis" is an  
adversary, from which we might conjecture a verb "and(a)standan (?)
 
For a verb meaning to depart, "twisstandan" occurs in 2Cor 2:13 for "depart 
 from".
 
I am afraid the above contains more caveats and confessions of ignorance  
than assertions, but owing to the dearth of replies to the original questions 
I  offer it for what it is worth.
 
Making words up to fill the gaps in what we know of Gothic is an enterprise 
 that deserves careful thought and diligent investigation; it would be easy 
to do  it badly. I am therefore reluctant to roll my own Gothic. To 
postulate a Gothic  word corresponding to something that is common Germanic (e.g. a 
word for  "green") requires a knowledge of how sounds have changed in the 
various Germanic  tongues, and in particular of how they changed in Gothic. I 
believe many  reconstructions were done long ago by Jakob Grimm. For 
present help, if  Llama_nom is still active he would be a valuable source of 
advice.
 
Gerry T.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 25/02/2012 05:50:44 GMT Standard Time,  
anheropl0x at gmail.com writes:

Also,  German Abschied (parting or farewell). Pretty obvious it would come 
from  something like the verb afskaidan, though the verb to bid farewell is  
andqithan, I believe.

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "anheropl0x"  <anheropl0x at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm currently on my phone, so I  can't access any of the neoglism files, 
but I was curious what you might think  the translations of these two 
words/phrases are.
> 
> Resistance  (Widerstand)
> Too many (zu viel)
> 
> I found in one  dictionary that has andstandan for to resist, but I'm not 
sure which suffix to  use to make it a noun. I haven't looked at wiktionary 
yet, but I doubt it will  have much (I often reconstruct from 
proto-germanic or go by analogy of another  Germanic language). If I can think of any 
more words, I will add  them.
>




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