[gothic-l] Jiddish

Mon Feb 16 08:15:38 UTC 2015

Why don’t you read the books yourself?

It is called the 13th tribe.

Tore

> On 15 Feb 2015, at 17:10, Dicentis a roellingua at gmail.com [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Tore, can you please show me which Turkish features are present in Yiddish? As you are citing these books, you have of course read the relevant parts in those books, otherwise you wouldn't cite them, can you cite the parts in those books in which it is claimed that Yiddish has Turkish influences and the linguistic explanations?
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> 2015-02-15 17:04 GMT+01:00 Tore Gannholm tore at gannholm.org <mailto:tore at gannholm.org> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>>:
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> No I said I understand the main opinion of the definition of Yiddish id that it is based on a Germanic language, in this case Gothic with mixtures of Turkish and Slavic languages.
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>> On 15 Feb 2015, at 16:20, Dicentis a roellingua at gmail.com <mailto:roellingua at gmail.com> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi Tore,
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>> A few citations of books is not proof of your claim, can you please cite parts out of these books which support your claim?
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>> Also, I will make a comparison between some Yiddish basic vocabulary and Turkish vocabulary here, Torre please explain why these differences are here if your theory is correct:
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>> (די פֿראַגע(ס    di frage(s) – question(s)    Turkish for question is soru
>> (דאָס בוך (ביכער    dos bukh (bikher) – book  Turkish for book is a loan from Arabic kitap, and the word for to write is yazmak, doesn't look like bukh at all
>> (דער טיש(ן    der tish(n) – table    Turkish for table is tablo
>> (דער מענטש(ן    der mentsh(n) – person   Turkish loan from Arabic is insan, another word is adam, a native Turkish word is kişi, please explain why mentsh and kishi are similar
>> צום בײַשפּיל     tsum bayshpil – for example   looks like German zum Beispiel and not like Turkish mesele
>> ?װאָס איז דאָס    vos iz dos? – what is this?     Turkish would be something like nedir? German would be:  Was ist das?
>> . . .דאָס איז     dos iz… – this is…    Turkish would be:   noun + -dir, German would be   das ist...
>> (די שטול(ן     di shtul(n) – chair    Turkish is sandalye, German is Stuhl
>> (דער מאַן (מענער     der man (mener) – man      Turkish is adam, but this word looks like German and Dutch Mann/man and Dutch meneer and German Mein Herr
>> (די פֿרױ(ען    di froy(en) – woman    Turkish is bayan, German is Frau.
>> (דאָס מײדל(עך    dos meydl(ekh) – girl   Turkish is kız, German is Mädchen
>> (דער קאָפּ (קעפּ    der kop (kep) – head    Turkish is kafa
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>> Out of 12 comparisons there is just 1 word, head, which looks a bit similar to Yiddish but which is most likely a coincidence or a loan.
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>> Torre, how can the core vocabulary of a language with words like person and question change so much from it's, what you say is, a Turkish source language?
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>> 2015-02-15 11:38 GMT+01:00 Tore Gannholm tore at gannholm.org <mailto:tore at gannholm.org> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>>:
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>> Hi,
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>> Brook, Kevin Alan, The Jews of Khazaria, 2009
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>> Dunlop, D.M., The history of the Jewish Khazars, 1954
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>> Koestler, Arthur, Den trettonde stammen, 1992 
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>> The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Paperback – June, 1978
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>> by Arthur Koestler <http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Arthur+Koestler&search-alias=books&text=Arthur+Koestler&sort=relevancerank> (Author)
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>> According to the Exhibitions in the
>> Museum in Oskar Schindler’s Factory in Krakow
>> the Germans had not come across the Yiddish language until they invaded Poland and realised that the Polish jews spoke another language than the jews in Germany
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>> Tore
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>>> On 14 Feb 2015, at 19:43, write2andy at yahoo.com <mailto:write2andy at yahoo.com> [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com <mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
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>>> "There is no question"? I'm guessing you know 0% of the Yiddish language. Show me where you found that there is "no question" that Yiddish is Turkic, or could possible have any Turkic influence at all. I know Yiddish, not fluently but I know a large portion of it (probably 30% to 50%) and not once have I seen any Turkic words in it. Not just the core vocabulary, but loan words, too. I haven't seen even one. If you can come up with at least one, or hopefully more, especially ones that clearly aren't later loan words, please, do show me them.
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>>> And it's spelled "Yiddish", with a "Y".
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>>> And there's no way Yiddish grew out of Gothic.
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