[gothic-l] Re: How do you create an adverb in Gothic?

[Dicentis a roellingua@gmail.com [gothic-l]]

Hails Audamunds,

I have looked up his book at the website of the most extensive library
which is close to me and it doesn't mention this author. So I don't really
see a way to get my hands on this book for only looking up this information
and I don't intend to spend (a lot of) money to only know 1 aspect of
Gothic grammar, if I would buy a book for a lot of aspects of the Gothic
grammar it would be a different story and I would spend money on it.

Golja þuk,

Roel

2015-01-28 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at yahoo.ca [gothic-l] <
gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:

>
>
> Dear Roel,
>
> The brief treatment of adverbs at the aforementioned site is incomplete
> and misleading. The best detailed scholarly discussion of Gothic
> adverb-formation is Frank Heidermanns' article "Der Ursprung der gotischen
> Adverbien auf -ba" (1996, >Historische Sprachforschung<, pp. 257-275),
> which I would strongly urge you to consult.
>
> Note that it is not true that -ba forms only adverbs of manner: e.g.
> abraba 'greatly, very' is an adverb of intensity, not of manner.
>
> Nor is it true that -o does not form adverbs of manner: e.g. e.g. sprauto
> 'quickly'.
>
> As the Heidermanns article shows, the choice between -ba and -o is
> determined not by semantic considerations but rather by morphological
> factors; in other words, it is form not meaning which is the decisive
> factor here.
>
> Edmund
>
>
> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>
> Ok, I have found a different answer in the course of Todd B. Krause and
> Jonathan Slocum:
> http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-5-X.html
>
>
> Suffix -ba. This suffix generally derives adverbs of manner from
> associated adjectives
>
> Suffix -ō. This suffix frequently derives adverbs from adjectives.
>
>
> This basically means that, if an adjective explain how something is done,
> you use -ba and otherwise you can use -o.
>
>
>
>
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> 2015-01-27 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>
>
>
> Dear Roel,
>
> As I stated in the original post, -o appears to be the usual adverbial
> ending for adjective stems ending in -isk- and -eig-, cf. 'thiudisko' (from
> *'thiudisks'), 'witodeigo' (from *'witotheigs').
>
> Edmund
>
>
> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>
> Awiliudo þus Audamunda, (Edmund = auds + munda)
>
> Skeireins þeina waila filu ist, satja þo her undaro, haba fraihna:
>
> (your explaination is very good, I 'll put it under here, I have a
> question:)
>
> Magum in waurdam miþ -isk- aiþþau -eig- nauh -o brukjan, þau þata unraihta
> brukein Gutiskons razdos waurþi?
>
> (Can we use -o in words with -isk- or -eig-, or would that be incorrect
> use of the Gothic language?)
>
>  In the case of Gothic, the adverbial suffix -o appears to have been
> non-productive specifically with simplex adjectives (= non-derived ones).
> In other words, it had become lexicalized in such cases, and the learner
> simply had to memorize which adjectives took this ending. The suffix -ba,
> on the other hand, appears to have been productive and was used everywhere
> except where there was already a lexicalized form with -o.
>
> In certain cases, however, -o is regular:
>
> 1) in the suffix -leiko: e.g. 'aljaleiko, antharleiko, lathaleiko.' With
> most of these, there is NO corresponding adjective in '-leiks.'
>
> 2) adjectives suffixed with -isk- and -eig-: e.g. 'thiudisko, witodeigo.'
>
> In other words, -o was regularly only in conjunction with other
> derivational suffixes.
>
>
> As to the vowel before the suffix -ba, that is determined by the class to
> which the adjective belongs. The majority of Gothic adjectives belong to
> the a-stem class, and this 'a' will appear before -ba, thus:
>
> abrs (a-stem) - abraba
> ainfalths (a-stem) - ainfalthaba
>
> but:
>
> hardus (u-stem) - harduba (although 'hardaba' is also extant)
>
> For more details on the formation of adverbs, see Heidermanns' article
> "Der Ursprung der gotischen Adverbien auf -ba" (>Historische
> Sprachforschung< 1996, vol. 109, pp. 257-275).
>
> 2015-01-27 2:59 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>
>
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>
> You may wish to look over my post of 4 Dec. 2014, which explains the
> formation of adverbs.
>
> Edmund
>
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