[gothic-l] Re: How do you create an adverb in Gothic?

Wed Jan 28 22:48:08 UTC 2015

I have a question by the way, my first name is Roel and it's an
abbreviation of Roeland. What would it be in Gothic? It's a combination of
 fame + bravery, but I can't find good words in Gothic which still look
like "roe" and "land".

2015-01-28 23:44 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at gmail.com>:

> Hails Audamunds,
>
> I have looked up his book at the website of the most extensive library
> which is close to me and it doesn't mention this author. So I don't really
> see a way to get my hands on this book for only looking up this information
> and I don't intend to spend (a lot of) money to only know 1 aspect of
> Gothic grammar, if I would buy a book for a lot of aspects of the Gothic
> grammar it would be a different story and I would spend money on it.
>
> Golja þuk,
>
> Roel
>
> 2015-01-28 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at yahoo.ca [gothic-l] <
> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> Dear Roel,
>>
>> The brief treatment of adverbs at the aforementioned site is incomplete
>> and misleading. The best detailed scholarly discussion of Gothic
>> adverb-formation is Frank Heidermanns' article "Der Ursprung der gotischen
>> Adverbien auf -ba" (1996, >Historische Sprachforschung<, pp. 257-275),
>> which I would strongly urge you to consult.
>>
>> Note that it is not true that -ba forms only adverbs of manner: e.g.
>> abraba 'greatly, very' is an adverb of intensity, not of manner.
>>
>> Nor is it true that -o does not form adverbs of manner: e.g. e.g. sprauto
>> 'quickly'.
>>
>> As the Heidermanns article shows, the choice between -ba and -o is
>> determined not by semantic considerations but rather by morphological
>> factors; in other words, it is form not meaning which is the decisive
>> factor here.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>>
>> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>>
>> Ok, I have found a different answer in the course of Todd B. Krause and
>> Jonathan Slocum:
>> http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-5-X.html
>>
>>
>> Suffix -ba. This suffix generally derives adverbs of manner from
>> associated adjectives
>>
>> Suffix -ō. This suffix frequently derives adverbs from adjectives.
>>
>>
>> This basically means that, if an adjective explain how something is done,
>> you use -ba and otherwise you can use -o.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-01-27 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
>> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Roel,
>>
>> As I stated in the original post, -o appears to be the usual adverbial
>> ending for adjective stems ending in -isk- and -eig-, cf. 'thiudisko' (from
>> *'thiudisks'), 'witodeigo' (from *'witotheigs').
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>>
>> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>>
>> Awiliudo þus Audamunda, (Edmund = auds + munda)
>>
>> Skeireins þeina waila filu ist, satja þo her undaro, haba fraihna:
>>
>> (your explaination is very good, I 'll put it under here, I have a
>> question:)
>>
>> Magum in waurdam miþ -isk- aiþþau -eig- nauh -o brukjan, þau þata
>> unraihta brukein Gutiskons razdos waurþi?
>>
>> (Can we use -o in words with -isk- or -eig-, or would that be incorrect
>> use of the Gothic language?)
>>
>>  In the case of Gothic, the adverbial suffix -o appears to have been
>> non-productive specifically with simplex adjectives (= non-derived ones).
>> In other words, it had become lexicalized in such cases, and the learner
>> simply had to memorize which adjectives took this ending. The suffix -ba,
>> on the other hand, appears to have been productive and was used everywhere
>> except where there was already a lexicalized form with -o.
>>
>> In certain cases, however, -o is regular:
>>
>> 1) in the suffix -leiko: e.g. 'aljaleiko, antharleiko, lathaleiko.' With
>> most of these, there is NO corresponding adjective in '-leiks.'
>>
>> 2) adjectives suffixed with -isk- and -eig-: e.g. 'thiudisko, witodeigo.'
>>
>> In other words, -o was regularly only in conjunction with other
>> derivational suffixes.
>>
>>
>> As to the vowel before the suffix -ba, that is determined by the class to
>> which the adjective belongs. The majority of Gothic adjectives belong to
>> the a-stem class, and this 'a' will appear before -ba, thus:
>>
>> abrs (a-stem) - abraba
>> ainfalths (a-stem) - ainfalthaba
>>
>> but:
>>
>> hardus (u-stem) - harduba (although 'hardaba' is also extant)
>>
>> For more details on the formation of adverbs, see Heidermanns' article
>> "Der Ursprung der gotischen Adverbien auf -ba" (>Historische
>> Sprachforschung< 1996, vol. 109, pp. 257-275).
>>
>> 2015-01-27 2:59 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
>> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You may wish to look over my post of 4 Dec. 2014, which explains the
>> formation of adverbs.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>>
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