[gothic-l] Re: How do you create an adverb in Gothic?

Wed Jan 28 22:53:27 UTC 2015

I already found the supposed good combination:  Hroþananþs  (hroþs = fame +
nanþs = brave, while "nand" changed to "land" later, therefore hroþananþs
doesn't look at all like my name Roel. I 'm jealous at Edmund that his name
is still recognizable :p  xD  )

2015-01-28 23:48 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at gmail.com>:

> I have a question by the way, my first name is Roel and it's an
> abbreviation of Roeland. What would it be in Gothic? It's a combination of
>  fame + bravery, but I can't find good words in Gothic which still look
> like "roe" and "land".
>
> 2015-01-28 23:44 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hails Audamunds,
>>
>> I have looked up his book at the website of the most extensive library
>> which is close to me and it doesn't mention this author. So I don't really
>> see a way to get my hands on this book for only looking up this information
>> and I don't intend to spend (a lot of) money to only know 1 aspect of
>> Gothic grammar, if I would buy a book for a lot of aspects of the Gothic
>> grammar it would be a different story and I would spend money on it.
>>
>> Golja þuk,
>>
>> Roel
>>
>> 2015-01-28 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at yahoo.ca [gothic-l] <
>> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Roel,
>>>
>>> The brief treatment of adverbs at the aforementioned site is incomplete
>>> and misleading. The best detailed scholarly discussion of Gothic
>>> adverb-formation is Frank Heidermanns' article "Der Ursprung der gotischen
>>> Adverbien auf -ba" (1996, >Historische Sprachforschung<, pp. 257-275),
>>> which I would strongly urge you to consult.
>>>
>>> Note that it is not true that -ba forms only adverbs of manner: e.g.
>>> abraba 'greatly, very' is an adverb of intensity, not of manner.
>>>
>>> Nor is it true that -o does not form adverbs of manner: e.g. e.g.
>>> sprauto 'quickly'.
>>>
>>> As the Heidermanns article shows, the choice between -ba and -o is
>>> determined not by semantic considerations but rather by morphological
>>> factors; in other words, it is form not meaning which is the decisive
>>> factor here.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Ok, I have found a different answer in the course of Todd B. Krause and
>>> Jonathan Slocum:
>>> http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-5-X.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Suffix -ba. This suffix generally derives adverbs of manner from
>>> associated adjectives
>>>
>>> Suffix -ō. This suffix frequently derives adverbs from adjectives.
>>>
>>>
>>> This basically means that, if an adjective explain how something is
>>> done, you use -ba and otherwise you can use -o.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-01-27 23:09 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
>>> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Roel,
>>>
>>> As I stated in the original post, -o appears to be the usual adverbial
>>> ending for adjective stems ending in -isk- and -eig-, cf. 'thiudisko' (from
>>> *'thiudisks'), 'witodeigo' (from *'witotheigs').
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Awiliudo þus Audamunda, (Edmund = auds + munda)
>>>
>>> Skeireins þeina waila filu ist, satja þo her undaro, haba fraihna:
>>>
>>> (your explaination is very good, I 'll put it under here, I have a
>>> question:)
>>>
>>> Magum in waurdam miþ -isk- aiþþau -eig- nauh -o brukjan, þau þata
>>> unraihta brukein Gutiskons razdos waurþi?
>>>
>>> (Can we use -o in words with -isk- or -eig-, or would that be incorrect
>>> use of the Gothic language?)
>>>
>>>  In the case of Gothic, the adverbial suffix -o appears to have been
>>> non-productive specifically with simplex adjectives (= non-derived ones).
>>> In other words, it had become lexicalized in such cases, and the learner
>>> simply had to memorize which adjectives took this ending. The suffix -ba,
>>> on the other hand, appears to have been productive and was used everywhere
>>> except where there was already a lexicalized form with -o.
>>>
>>> In certain cases, however, -o is regular:
>>>
>>> 1) in the suffix -leiko: e.g. 'aljaleiko, antharleiko, lathaleiko.' With
>>> most of these, there is NO corresponding adjective in '-leiks.'
>>>
>>> 2) adjectives suffixed with -isk- and -eig-: e.g. 'thiudisko, witodeigo.'
>>>
>>> In other words, -o was regularly only in conjunction with other
>>> derivational suffixes.
>>>
>>>
>>> As to the vowel before the suffix -ba, that is determined by the class
>>> to which the adjective belongs. The majority of Gothic adjectives belong to
>>> the a-stem class, and this 'a' will appear before -ba, thus:
>>>
>>> abrs (a-stem) - abraba
>>> ainfalths (a-stem) - ainfalthaba
>>>
>>> but:
>>>
>>> hardus (u-stem) - harduba (although 'hardaba' is also extant)
>>>
>>> For more details on the formation of adverbs, see Heidermanns' article
>>> "Der Ursprung der gotischen Adverbien auf -ba" (>Historische
>>> Sprachforschung< 1996, vol. 109, pp. 257-275).
>>>
>>> 2015-01-27 2:59 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at ... [gothic-l] <
>>> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You may wish to look over my post of 4 Dec. 2014, which explains the
>>> formation of adverbs.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
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