Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7

Wed Feb 11 18:26:46 UTC 2009

Latin conjugations:  tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and adjectives

βαρβαρoς being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs

Scott Catledge

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   2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600

From: John Kyle <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>

Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems

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I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed

a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication

system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and

of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have

not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed

on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I

would gladly post a follow-up with the information.  Thank you.

John Kyle

jhobartkyle at gmail.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100

From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>

Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems

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Dear John,

what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many
languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in
Classical Greek --

which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider
Greek as a reduplication system language? 

Prof. Paolo Ramat

Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS)

Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane

V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia

Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 

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  Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems

  I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a
reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost
reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication
system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication
system which developed on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any
references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the
information.  Thank you.

  John Kyle

  jhobartkyle at gmail.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST)

From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins <Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU>

Subject: [Histling-l]  development of reduplication systems

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Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot
about

reduplication in VNese and several related languages.  We Westerners might
be prone to

focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers)
VN's

reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has
developed (and

is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai
tonal

languages.

Jeff Stebbins

Univ. Colorado, Linguistics

719-660-6280

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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep

  to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot)

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  From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>

  Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems

  To: "John Kyle" <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,<Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>

  ?

  Dear John,

  what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"?

  I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g.
the

  perfect tense in Classical Greek --

  which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern

  Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system

  language? 

  Prof. Paolo Ramat

  Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori

  (IUSS)

  Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane

  V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza

  56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia

  Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899

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    Kyle

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    PM

    Subject: [Histling-l] development of

    reduplication systems

    I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have

    developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a

    reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost

    reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a
reduplication

    system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication

    system which developed on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any

    references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the

    information.  Thank you.

    John Kyle

    jhobartkyle at gmail.com

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