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[Gordon Whittaker]

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I'm afraid you're confusing German Schauer with Schauder. Schauer is 
'shower', like its English cognate going right back to Proto-Germanic ( and 
to IE for 'north wind, storm wind'). Schauer (in the meaning 'shower') did 
not originally mean 'cheap thrill' or 'horror'. Schauder, on the other 
hand, (which, indeed, does have a variant Schauer) is simply related to 
English shudder, which relates to the horror meaning.

As for biccia, tichetto and farma, etc., I don't think that's the kind of 
case this thread has been discussing. Your examples are simply 
straightforward loans, with the English terms adapted to Italian phonology.

Gordon Whittaker
Seminar für Romanische Philologie
Humboldtallee 19
37073 Göttingen
Germany

At 08:29 AM 11/1/2001 -0500, Debra.Ziegeler wrote:
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>Similar examples noted as appearing in the
>L1 of Italian (and other European) migrants in Australia
>are:
>
>Australian Italian: la biccia ('beach'), il tichetto ('ticket'), la
>fattoria ('factory' - originally 'farm' in Italian, but many of the
>original migrants came to work in factories), and hence farma ('a big
>farm'), Australian German: der Schauer ('shower of rain' - original
>meaning in German 'cheap thrill' or 'horror'); Australian Greek:
>roula ('ruler', the form being taken from a Greek girl's name).
>
>- These examples (and doubtless many more) are courtesy of Michael
>Clyne and an old undergraduate handbook.
>
>Debra Ziegeler
>
>Dr. Debra Ziegeler
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