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[Debra.Ziegeler]

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Date:          Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:44:41 +0100
To:            Debra.Ziegeler at man.ac.uk,HISTLING at VM.SC.EDU
From:          Gordon Whittaker <gwhitta at gwdg.de>
Subject:       Re: query

I'm afraid you're confusing German Schauer with Schauder. Schauer is
'shower', like its English cognate going right back to Proto-Germanic ( and
to IE for 'north wind, storm wind'). Schauer (in the meaning 'shower') did
not originally mean 'cheap thrill' or 'horror'. Schauder, on the other
hand, (which, indeed, does have a variant Schauer) is simply related to
English shudder, which relates to the horror meaning.

I'm grateful for your comments, though I was not confusing the word
with Schauder - perhaps my faithful old German dictionary was.

As for biccia, tichetto and farma, etc., I don't think that's the kind of
case this thread has been discussing. Your examples are simply
straightforward loans, with the English terms adapted to Italian phonology.

Ah, I see. Maybe a better example might be found in the type of
transference occurring in the Hong Kong (street) Cantonese example:

Mouh di louh la ('no business, no work')

This example does not necesarily  result in any new lexical
additions, but it is reputed to have influenced the eventual
bankruptcy of the company Motorola in that part of the world.

Debra Ziegeler


 Gordon Whittaker
Seminar für Romanische Philologie
Humboldtallee 19
37073 Göttingen
Germany

At 08:29 AM 11/1/2001 -0500, Debra.Ziegeler wrote:
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>Similar examples noted as appearing in the
>L1 of Italian (and other European) migrants in Australia
>are:
>
>Australian Italian: la biccia ('beach'), il tichetto ('ticket'), la
>fattoria ('factory' - originally 'farm' in Italian, but many of the
>original migrants came to work in factories), and hence farma ('a big
>farm'), Australian German: der Schauer ('shower of rain' - original
>meaning in German 'cheap thrill' or 'horror'); Australian Greek:
>roula ('ruler', the form being taken from a Greek girl's name).
>
>- These examples (and doubtless many more) are courtesy of Michael
>Clyne and an old undergraduate handbook.
>
>Debra Ziegeler
>
>Dr. Debra Ziegeler
>School of English and Linguistics
>University of Manchester
>Oxford Road
>Manchester M13 9PL
>UK
>Tel.: (0161) 275 3142
>Fax: (0161) 275 3256


Dr. Debra Ziegeler
School of English and Linguistics
University of Manchester
Oxford Road
Manchester M13 9PL
UK
Tel.: (0161) 275 3142
Fax: (0161) 275 3256