Study of obscure Amazon tribe sheds new light on how language affects perception (fwd)

[Myra Shawaway]

Interesting?  the idea of having an exacting concept to numbers and time in
a scientific sense, has created difficulties in preservation of our
languages.  As I work with our speakers of languages, I believe that the
concept of numbers is a seen thing, or sense of duty to cultural
environment,  as is the sense of time when spoken about in past events that
have occured.  As our oral traditions are diminishing, so is the ability to
grasp the skills needed for passing on our languages.  We are moving from a
natural way of understanding needs and environment, to enjoying the comforts
of science and the outcomes.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Ward" <mward at LUNA.CC.NM.US>
To: <ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Study of obscure Amazon tribe sheds new light on how language
affects perception (fwd)


> I particularly like this sentence:
>
> "What these experiments show, according to Gordon, is how having the
> right linguistic resources can carve out one's reality."
>
> The "right" lingustic resources, eh?  I suppose that this study is seen as
evidence that some people just don't have the right stuff--gotta get those
Portuguese-speakers in there to right the situation.
>
> I'm curious to see if, in 20 years, we are going to read an article
showing that the claims made about this tribe are about as accurate as
Whorf's claim that Hopi had no words for time...
>
>
>
> phil cash cash wrote:
>
> >Public release date: 19-Aug-2004
> >http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-08/tccu-soo081804.php
> >
> >Contact: Diane Dobry
> >dd173 at columbia.edu
> >212-678-3979
> >Teachers College, Columbia University
> >
> >Study of obscure Amazon tribe sheds new light on how language affects
> >perception
> >
> >Controversial linguistic hypothesis is supported by Teachers College
> >(Columbia University) professor's observation of tribe whose language
> >contains no words for numbers beyond 'one,' 'two' and 'many.'
> >During the late 1930s, amateur linguist Benjamin Lee Whorf posed the
> >theory that language can determine the nature and content of thought.
> >But are there concepts in one culture that people of another culture
> >simply cannot understand because their language has no words for it?
> >
> >No one has ever definitively answered that question, but new findings by
> >Dr. Peter Gordon, a bio-behavioral scientist at Teachers College,
> >Columbia University, strongly support a "yes" answer. Gordon has spent
> >the past several years studying the Pirahã, an isolated Amazon tribe of
> >fewer than 200 people, whose language contains no words for numbers
> >beyond "one," "two" and "many." Even the Piraha word for "one" appears
> >to refer to "roughly one" or a small quantity, as opposed to the exact
> >connotation of singleness in other languages.
> >
> >What these experiments show, according to Gordon, is how having the
> >right linguistic resources can carve out one's reality. "Whorf says
> >that language divides the world into different categories," Gordon
> >said. "Whether one language chooses to distinguish one thing versus
> >another affects how an individual perceives reality."
> >
> >When given numerical tasks by Gordon in which they were asked to match
> >small sets of objects in varying configurations, adult members of the
> >tribe responded accurately with up to two or three items, but their
> >performance declined when challenged with eight to 10 items, and
> >dropped to zero with larger sets of objects. The only exception to this
> >performance was with tasks involving unevenly spaced objects. Here, the
> >performance of participants deteriorated as the number of items
> >increased to 6 items. Yet for sets of 7 to 10 objects, performance was
> >near perfect. Though these tasks were designed to be more difficult,
> >Gordon hypothesizes that the uneven spacing allowed subjects to
> >perceive the items as smaller "chunks" of 2 or 3 items that they could
> >then match to corresponding groups.
> >
> >According to the study, performance by the Piraha was poor for set sizes
> >above 2 or 3, but it was not random. "Pirahã participants were actually
> >trying very hard to get the answers correct, and they clearly
> >understood the tasks," Gordon said. Participants showed evidence of
> >using methods of estimation and chunking to guess at quantities in
> >larger set sizes. On average, they performed about as well as college
> >students engaged in more complex numerical estimation tasks. Their
> >skill levels were similar to those in pre-linguistic infants, monkeys,
> >birds and rodents, and appeared to correlate to recent brain imaging
> >studies indicating a different sort of numerical competence that seems
> >to be immune to numerical language deprivation. Interestingly, Gordon
> >noted, while Pirahã adults had difficulty learning larger numbers,
> >Piraha children did not.
> >
> >While the Pirahã words for "one" and "two" do not necessarily always
> >refer to those specific amounts, Gordon also found that members of the
> >tribe never used those words in combination to denote larger
> >quantities. In the study, they also used their fingers in addition to
> >their verbal statement of quantity, but this practice, too, was found
> >to be highly inaccurate even for small numbers less than five.
> >
> >The Pirahã language has no word for "number," and pronouns do not
> >designate number--"he" and "they" are the same word. Most standard
> >quantifiers like "more," "several," "all," and "each" do not exist. In
> >general, while containing a very complex verb structure common to many
> >Native American languages, the Pirahã language does not allow for
> >certain kinds of comparative constructions. For example, it was not
> >possible to ask participants whether one group of objects "has more
> >nuts than the other" because of the lack of that construction in the
> >Pirahã grammar. Yet, the word they use for "many," which in that
> >language was derived from a form ob the verb meaning "to bring
> >together," is distinct from a word that means something like "much."
> >
> >###
> >
> >
> >Details of the study will appear in the Thursday, August 19, issue of
> >the journal Science.
> >
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> >
> >