Mongolians first to discover America claims professor

Sun Jan 13 02:42:10 UTC 2008

interesting pages Mia,
thanks for sharing the link!
awww...no plans for scuba archaeology in the Bering Strait?
Rzs

On 1/12/08 8:46 AM, "Mia Kalish" <MiaKalish at LEARNINGFORPEOPLE.US> wrote:

> I like the options that the Athapascan people could have discovered Russia! I
> wish I had thought of that.
>  
> However, the possibility is closer to being substantial than might be implied
> by my opening. 
> I discovered research at U. Manitoba a few years ago. I summarized here:
> http://www.learningforpeople.us/Lipan/AlaskanMigration.htm
>  
> Actually it¹s a whole web environment, but it is pretty, and incorporates
> related research on New Mexico evidence.
> Says that the Athapascans were living on the southeast corner of Glacial Lake
> Agassiz during the last ice age. When the ice started to melt, Agassiz water
> went East, to the great lakes, where Athapascan speakers were encountered in
> the 1800¹s, North, to Alaska, to the land of the midnight sun, and South.
> Arrow heads indicate that they went all over the south. We know there are
> still Lipan people in Mexico. J
>  
> Enjoy. 
> Mia 
>  
> PS: For music buffs, what famous song, _______ River Valley, was about the
> modern day Lake Agassiz water? (Maybe that¹s too much of a clue J ).
>  
> 
> 
> From: Indigenous Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Richard Smith
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:02 PM
> To: ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor
>  
> In discussion with Greg Anderson of Living Tongues,he found
> similarities in siberian and some athabaskan languages
> but he presented the possibility that
> populations of migrating americans could just as well have settled
> parts of Siberia and languages could have been spread this way as well.
> The Bering Strait might not have been The One Way Road
> we see on high school school maps
> 
> I guess Athabaskans could claim to have discovered Russia?
> 
> Richard Zane Smith
> Wyandotte, Oklahoma
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/11/08 4:01 PM, "Ryan Denzer-King" <johndillinger43 at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> From what I know about the Bering Strait theory, the crossings occurred at far
> too great a time depth for any significant (at least superficial) linguistic
> evidence to be present.  It's my understanding that any divergences great than
> 10,000 years are essentially impossible to prove, since the divergence will be
> great enough that similarities in the languages due to common genetic origin
> will not be statistically significantly greater than those due to chance.
>  
> Ryan Denzer-King
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:29:06 -0700
> From: bernisantamaria at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor
> (fwd)
> To: ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> 
> Dear ILAT:
> I find this topic interesting too since I read somewhere that there had been
> DNA comparisons done on American Indian and Mongolians or Asians?  Does anyone
> know if there was something like that in the past several years?  I believe it
> also stated that there were very little similarities. Regarding the Bering
> Strait theory--that's all it is according to the late Prof. Vine Deloria, it
> is not proven scientific fact that it occurred.  Also, where is the linguistic
> evidence that any Indigenous languages of the Americas are, in any way,
> similar to Asian or Mongolian languages?  It would seem that the issue of
> parallels in language has not been proven although there have been comparisons
> done.  
>  
> Bernadette A. Santamaria
> 
>  
> On 1/11/08, Dr. Dorene Wiese <dpwiese at aol.com> wrote:
> Dear ILAT LISTSERV.
> 
> The article on the Mongolians is very interesting, considering, when we
> visited there with the first American Indian group  in l980, they had
> never heard of the Bering Strait theory. It is true, however, that when we
> took our group picture, some of us on Mongolian horses, in Ulan Batar,you
> could not tell who the Indians were and who the Mongolians were.  George
> Bordeaux has great film coverage of that historic event. It was a tremendous
> trip. I call that time, China before McDonalds.
> Dorene
> 
>  
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phil cash cash <cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU>
> To: ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 1:58 pm
> Subject: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor (fwd)
> 
> Mongolians first to discover America claims professor
> 
> 
> 
> 12:01 | 11/ 01/ 2008
> 
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20080111/96196977.html
> 
> 
> 
> BEIJING, January 11 (RIA Novosti) - A Mongolian professor of history has said
> 
> America was discovered by the Mongolians and not Christopher Columbus, as is
> 
> popularly believed, the Xinhua news agency reported late on Thursday.
> 
> 
> 
> Professor Sumiya Jambaldorj from the Genghis Khan University in the Mongolian
> 
> capital, UIan Bator, performed a study proving the similarity between American
> 
> place names and words in the Mongolian language.
> 
> 
> 
> "About 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, Mongols with stone tools crossed the
> Aleutian
> 
> Islands and arrived in America," Jambaldorj was reported as saying.
> 
> 
> 
> The academic said that over 20 place names in the Alaskan Aleutian Islands
> could
> 
> be Mongolian.
> 
> 
> 
> "Many names of places and rivers in the U.S. state of Alaska are believed to
> be
> 
> Mongolian," he said.
> 
> 
> 
> The news agency said there were similar words in a Native American language
> and
> 
> Mongolian, e.g. "hagaan," which means "ancestor" in Mongolian.
> 
> 
> 
> Jambaldorj said there was much in common between the ancestors of the
> Mongolians
> 
> and the Native Americans, adding that some types of stone tools found in the
> 
> Aleutian Islands had also been discovered in the Gobi desert area of Mongolia.
> 
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