The real question is how old some of these constructions are in French. They are certainly not as recnet as Larry seems to assuming. On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Larry Traskmentioned (inter alia) > Jean, il l'a achetee, la bagnole. > Paul, Marie a couche avec. > Vla la meuf qui s'est fait peta son keus. > Paul, Marie, elle a couche avec.