Non-IE roots in Germanic/@, a, e, i, j, o, u
Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv at wxs.nl
Fri Mar 12 07:52:31 UTC 1999
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"Anthony Appleyard" <mclssaa2 at fs2.mt.umist.ac.uk> wrote:
>Rick Mc Callister wrote:-
>> *i:sarno [Celtic, Germanic] > iron, Eisen n.
>> [< ?Vasconic *isar "star";
>> see Basque izar "star"] [mcv2/98, tv2/98]
>Larry Trask <larryt at cogs.susx.ac.uk> replied:-
>> No comment.
>Also, Greek `side:ros' = "iron", Latin `sidus' (gen `sideris') = "star".
The Latin word is an s-stem *sidos-/*sides-, so there is no
connection with Greek sida:ros (Attic side:ros), unless one
assumes the word was borrowed directly from Latin.
It might be more interesting to compare the Grk. word with Basque
zilar ~ zirar ~ zidar ~ zildar "silver" (< *sidar ?).
>This
>semantic association was quite possible in early times when Man had not yet
>found how to smelt iron and iron was a precious rarity available only as
>natural nickel-iron alloy in meteorites.
Meteoric iron is indeed the earliest source for the metal, as
seen for instance in Sumerian AN.BAR "[lit. sky silver] iron".
That's what makes a Celtic *i:sar-no- derived from "Vasconic"
*isar "star" semantically plausible. Unfortunately, there is
zero evidence from Basque itself for the use of <izar> in a
metallurgical context. Basque for "iron" is <burdina> (maybe
originally "ore", if compounds like burdin-gorri [=red] "copper"
and burdin-(h)ori [=yellow] "brass" are not recent coinages).
For completeness, the native Basque metal names are:
GOLD urr(h)e
SILVER zilar ~ zirar ~ zildar ~ zidar
LEAD berun ~ beraun
IRON burdin(a) ~ burdun~a ~ burni(a)
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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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