Question on bilingual language acquisition from non-native speaker

[isa barriere]

Dear Kristin,
1. Othe people *M. Vihman and A. Morgebnstein) have already corrected the
view on bilingualism and cognitive abilities.

2.  Non -native input
There are at least 2 ways to interpret success: : a) whetehr you will manage
to keep using the non-native lg and or) whether these children's lg
development will be comparable to that of native speakers.

The only studies that I know of on spoken lgs are case studies including the
Irish study in NY and the study by M. Vihman on her own children and the one
by Saunders on raising children with German in Australia.  The only group
study I know is cited blow, on acquiistion of ASL.

Singleton, J.L. & Newport, E.L. (2004) When learners surpass their models:
The acquisition of American Sign Language from inconsistent input. *Cognitive
Psychology*, 49, 370-407.



In the religious Yiddish speaking populations in NY I am currently
investigating 15% of the children receive non-native input from 1 or 2
parents.  The infants and toddlers on which I collected data are too young
and my population sample too small to come to any conclusions right now.  In
this community, there is non-native input because among a few parents there
has been an interruption of the intergenerational transmission of
Yiddish.  And it is the religious identity of the parents that is very tied
to Yiddish, at least in the community in Brooklyn that motivates its use and
it benefits from community support.



Best,

Isabelle Barriere, PhD






On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Shari Berkowitz <shariellen at nyc.rr.com>wrote:

>
> There is a group in New York whose members are speaking Irish with their
> children, despite the parents being non-native speakers.  There was a short
> talk on this:
> http://web.gc.cuny.edu/dept/lingu/rislus/events/RISLUSForum2006.html
> See Thomas Ihde at 11:35.  Perhaps he has published something since then?
>
> Shari Berkowitz
> doctoral candidate
> Speech-Language-Hearing
> CUNY GC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Aliyah MORGENSTERN
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:17 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Re: Question on bilingual language acquisition from non-native
> speaker
>
>
> Dear Kristin,
> I'm not sure the answer to your question is simple. There could be so
> many different situations... It is great to be bilingual and even
> better to be multilingual, it does not make you more "intelligent",
> some kids do perform better in certain tasks but each kid is different
> and noone has proved that bilingual people are MORE intelligent
> whatever that means.
> All in all, the parents have to be feel really comfortable with the
> language and have to picture themselves speaking to their children in
> another language than what their own parents spoke to them and decide
> whether THAT is "doable" for them and if they want it. They might also
> want to try to project themselves in situations when they will have to
> argue with their teen-age kid or comfort her/him or discuss all kinds
> of issues... So it's a very personal decision I would say.
>
> On the practical side, if that choice is made, I really think it will
> only work out if the community or part of the community speaks the
> chosen language as well and even better if the kid gets a lot of that
> language in school...
>
> My best
>
> Aliyah MORGENSTERN
> Unviersité Sorbonne Nouvelle-Paris 3
>
>
> Le 10 déc. 08 à 12:49, annalee harley a écrit :
>
> > hi,
> >
> > Studies have shown that bilingual learners end up alot smarter than
> > there peers, they use neural pathways unknown to the monolingual
> > child. I think You are very lucky to have high proficiancy in
> > another language, so why not teach it to your child.
> >
> > yours annalee.
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:04:52 -0800
> > > Subject: Question on bilingual language acquisition from non-
> > native speaker
> > > From: kristinborjesson at yahoo.de
> > > To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I'm not entirely sure whether this is the right place to pose my
> > > question. However, a friend of mine suggested I'd try here to get
> > some
> > > information on the following issue.
> > >
> > > I'd like to know whether there are any studies investigating the
> > > question of whether or not a non-native speaker of a language (with
> > > fairly high competency) should try and raise his child bilingually
> > > nevertheless. I'm simply interested in views on that question.
> > >
> > > I'd be very happy if you could help me with suggestions or
> > references
> > > on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Kristin
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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