Fw: [Lexicog] semantic domains AND frames?

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Subject: RE: [Lexicog] semantic domains AND frames?


> From Fritz Goerling to Wayne Leman
>
> (Wayne)
> Isn't it possible for semantic domains used for lexical entries to be
> defined by indigenous semantic taxonomies?
> (Fritz)
> That would be easier in a monolingual semantic domains dictionary.
> In your example below I see that you would have a cross-cultural problem
> with classification in a bilingual dictionary.
> (Wayne)
> For instance, in Cheyenne we can say Ehovaheve 'He is an animal,' using an
> indigenous superordinate semantic category. Then when we come to the name
of
> some animate being, we can ask Ehovahevehe? 'Is he an animal?" Well, if I
> ask that of voaxaa'e 'bald eagle,' I will get the answer "Hova'hane,
> eve'keseheve" ('No, he is a bird.'; reflecting another indigenous semantic
> category). If I ask of the word hetane 'man', "Ehovahevehe?", I will get
the
> Cheyenne answer, "Hova'hane, evo'estaneheve," ('No, he is a person,'
> reflecting the Cheyenne vo'estane 'person' superordinate semantic category
> and not the "scientific" Western-oriented category of "animal" where, at
> least for some English-speaking individuals, a "man" is an animal--of
> course, some men are!!
> (Fritz)
> I know you use inclusive language, so you must mean "man" = male here.
> How would you say in Cheyenne "she ate like an animal"?
> (Wayne)
> But that is a different semantic issue, which
> requires a different kind of lexical categorization.)
>
> I have been exposed to frames and scripts over the past years, but I'm not
> immediately familiar with what the concept of semantic frame would be
here,
> as opposed to semantic domain. Please explain further. Thanks.
>
> Wayne Leman
>
> > I was reading an article recently that suggested that all lexical
entries
> should be keyed to semantic domains so that the entries can be sorted by
> them. What about keying them to frames as well, as defined by cognitive
> linguistics? This would make just as much sense to me, as semantic domains
> are (arguably) defined arbritrarily by linguists, whereas frames are more
> directly related to real life...
> >
> > sozlukyazajy
>
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