[lg policy] NYTimes.com: Who's White?
Christina Paulston
paulston at PITT.EDU
Fri Apr 2 19:48:13 UTC 2010
Stan,
You don't listen - Rod wants to know why you ask such a question, for
what purpose. It is not just an innocent question or a question of
fact, as both you and I treated it. Thank you Rod for pointing it
out. I think on second thought I would say it is a question of
ascription of perception. The Japanese were white in RSA. And I as
Swedish would not even think of whiteness in connection with SE
Asians. What would President Obama be perceived as in Brazil?
Christina
On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Stan Anonby wrote:
> Hi!
>
> What I was referring to was Nell Painter's book. She said the
> ancient Greeks considered the Circassians (Caucasians) to be
> inferior. By association, lighter skin was also considered a mark of
> inferiority. I was just wondering if there were places where that
> was the prevailing sentiment today.
>
> Stan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R K Hopson" <hopson at duq.edu>
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>> Hardly would I associate and generalize these arguments listed
>> below to
>> everyone. We don't find folk in southern Africa referring to lighter
>> skinned San or other Khoe people as white.
>>
>> Or, maybe I'm missing the argument thread below. What argument are
>> you all
>> referring to? Are you taking the argument that the lighter one is
>> the
>> more they associate or are associated with whiteness?
>>
>> Whiteness, if there's reason to consider in that part of the world
>> (southern Africa) has the history of Bantu education and apartheid to
>> thank for its definitions. As such, honorary whiteness status was
>> afforded to certain Indian and Asian groups with economic and
>> symbolic
>> power.
>>
>>> I wonder about Botswana, where there are Bantu and lighter skinned
>>> San.
>>>
>>> Stan
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Christina Paulston
>>> To: Language Policy List
>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [lg policy] NYTimes.com: Who's White?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I imagine there will be an argument about this but the Rif
>>> Mountains in
>>> Morocco have light skinned, red-haired Berbers, and the Arabs tend
>>> to
>>> consider themselves "better". I don't know if that has changed
>>> with the
>>> recent revitalization movements of Berber languages and ethnic
>>> groups.
>>> Any Moroccan opinions? Christina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Stan Anonby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anywhere in the world today where lighter skinned
>>> people are
>>> considered "lower"?
>>>
>>> Stan
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>>> The History of White People
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>>> BOOKS / SUNDAY BOOK REVIEW | March 28, 2010
>>> Who's White?
>>> By LINDA GORDON
>>> Nell Irvin Painter's accessible study shows that
>>> deciding who is white has always been heavily influenced
>>> by class and culture.
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