[lg policy] RE: Policy on publishing racist and fascist material on the list
Anthea Fraser Gupta
A.F.Gupta at LEEDS.AC.UK
Thu May 20 09:15:36 UTC 2010
I agree that we should engage with what we disagree with. But I think it would be quite wrong for this list to have a political policy. If we said that "this list does not support racist and fascist ideologies", we would have to define 'racist' and 'fascist'. Not easy and would put a lot of our core areas out of discussion.
Are policies that favour one 'race' over another 'racist' (relates to issues around, for example, Hindi in India, Malay in Malaysia, Welsh in the UK...)? How would anyone be able to say anything about Israel/Palestine without someone thinking they were being racist? What IS the core ideology of fascism (something Obama and the UK health service have been accused of, inter alia). Should we respect the view of those strongly opposed to (or in favour of) other ideologies too (for example, communism or Christianity)?
I don't think we should go down the route of a political policy (even supposing we collectively agreed on it). It is essential that members of this list debate and analyse. If you look at some of my papers on policy, you'll see that I have engaged with (well, mostly against) 'mother tongue education' and 'indigeneity' -- hard to be into that sort of stuff without giving offence to someone.
Anthea
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School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
<www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg>
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From: lgpolicy-list-bounces+a.f.gupta=leeds.ac.uk at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces+a.f.gupta=leeds.ac.uk at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Kerry Taylor-Leech [Kerry.Taylor-Leech at usq.edu.au]
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Subject: [lg policy] RE: Policy on publishing racist and fascist material on the list
I agree that it is useful (if sickening) to read these types of article so that we can "know our enemies" but with this kind of fascist material one can never be complacent. Any exposure of this kind of "literature" provides it with oxygen and airtime. These organisations know what they are doing when they write their inflammatory material and they aim to insert thmelseves into debates anywhere they can.
I think it is quite wrong to attack those list readers who question the posting of this stuff on this list. Fascist material cannot appear on the list uncriticised. Doing so provides these organisations with another platform. Let's not forget that the NP ran for a seat in the recent British elections in a constituency where they would have once been run off the streets. That's how acceptable their ideologies have become. Yes post this garbage up but not without a loud and clear statement that this list does not support racist and fascist ideologies.
Kerry
Dr Kerry Taylor-Leech
Lecturer in Applied Linguistics
Faculty of Education
University of Southern Queensland
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Policy on disagreeable messages (Kephart, Ronald)
2. Re: The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home
Language (Stan Anonby)
3. BBC Wales Today on a community Welsh promotion effort
(Dave Sayers)
4. RE: Singapore: Mother Tongue Language (Anthea Fraser Gupta)
5. RE: The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary
School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
(Anthea Fraser Gupta)
6. Re: Policy on disagreeable messages (aditi ghosh)
7. Re: Singapore: Mother Tongue Language (Harold Schiffman)
8. Linguistic Hygiene: An F (Bomb) in Oral Communications
(Harold Schiffman)
9. bibitem: Contemporary perspectives on language policy and
literacy instruction in early childhood education (Harold Schiffman)
10. NZ: Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy (Harold Schiffman)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:07:25 -0400
From: "Kephart, Ronald" <rkephart at unf.edu>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
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I second that motion!
Ron
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Associate Professor of Anthropology
and Linguistics
Coordinator, Anthropology Program
University of North Florida
On 5/18/10 11:55 AM, "Miriam E Ebsworth" <mee1 at nyu.edu> wrote:
Excellent suggestion Hal!
Keep'em coming.
It's important to hear all voices, even the nasty ones. And it's equally important to challenge purported facts and conclusions that we know to be untrue.
With respect and appreciation,
Miriam
Miriam Eisenstein Ebsworth, Ph.D.
<MEE1 at nyu.edu>
Director of Doctoral Programs in Multilingual Multicultural Studies
New York University,635 East Building
239 Greene St., New York, NY 10003
work phone: 212-998-5195
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:45 am
Subject: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
> Dear members,
>
> I thank all those of you who have responded on this issue, all of whom
> have been supportive of continuing to send messages,
> even "offensive" ones, as a way to ensure that we know what we are
> dealing with "out there" and that we won't get
> complacent about sentiments we do not agree with. I currently have a
> disclaimer at the end of all messages I send,
> in which people are encouraged to post a rejoinder if they disagree
> with something. I would like to amend this to
> recommend in addition that if members disagree with, say, a message
> from the British National Party, or from the English
> Only people, that they write to those people, and register their
> discontent with them directly. A copy of that message
> could be forwarded to this list, just so we know about it.
>
> Yours,
>
> Hal Schiffman
>
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>
> Harold F. Schiffman
>
> Professor Emeritus of
> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
> Dept. of South Asia Studies
> University of Pennsylvania
> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>
> Phone: (215) 898-7475
> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>
> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
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Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:58:36 -0700
From: "Stan Anonby" <stan-sandy_anonby at sil.org>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
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Hah!
Great suggestion, Christina!
Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christina Paulston" <paulston at pitt.edu>
To: "Language Policy List" <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
> Hal,
> I have a better suggestion. Just cut off from the list and blacklist for
> the future people who just want their opinions
> published (like whoever Davyth and others are) and who don't understand
> that it is crucial to know what all opinions are.
> Then we don't have to waste your time repeatedly with this stuff. Keep
> up the good work -- I and my students are most grateful to you, Christina
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Harold Schiffman wrote:
>
>> Dear Davyth and others,
>>
>> Here we go again. I tend to forward messages on the topic of language
>> policy (which often
>> includes immigration policy) even if they originate with groups that
>> most of us would
>> disagree with. I publish a disclaimer at the end of every message,
>> assuming that folks
>> can figure out what the message is all about, and that it is not the
>> opinion of myself, or
>> of others on this list. I assume (as do many others) that we need to
>> know what such
>> groups are saying, even if we don't agree with them. I've gotten flak
>> recently for sending
>> some unpleasant messages, but most members seem to support the idea that
>> we need
>> to know who our 'enemies' are, and what they are saying. If however
>> it is the overwhelming opinion
>> of members of this group that we should NOT distribute such messages,
>> I will change my
>> strategy, but I predict that we would then become a 'nicey-nicey'
>> listserv that favors one
>> point of view, and I already see too much of that in various places.
>> (I lived through the loyalty-oath
>> controversies of the 1950's and 60's and would not like to see such a
>> policy take over on this
>> listserv.)
>>
>> Alternatively, should I "bracket" such unpleasant messages with
>> "danger signals" so as to
>> make it clear that it is unpalatable and disgusting, and might offend
>> some of our readers?
>> I could do that, but I think I would soon be more likely to turn this
>> listserv over to someone
>> else to manage.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Hal Schiffman
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Davyth Hicks <davyth.hicks at eurolang.net
>> > wrote:
>>> Hi Harold,
>>>
>>> Are you sure that you should send out this 'report' from the far right
>>> British National Party and republished on this NPI site?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Davyth Hicks
>>> Eurolang
>>>
>>> Harold Schiffman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary School Children
>>>> Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>>>>
>>>> According to figures released in 2008, more than 30 state schools in
>>>> England were made up solely of ethnic minority pupils with no white
>>>> children on the roll. The rapid takeover of Britain by non- indigenous
>>>> peoples has been confirmed by new Department of Education figures
>>>> which have revealed that 16 percent of primary school children aged 11
>>>> and under speak English as a second language. This translates to
>>>> 518,020 pupils. In secondary schools, around 11.6 percent or 378,210
>>>> pupils do not speak English as a first language.
>>>> At special schools, 9,380 pupils, or 10.9 percent, do not speak
>>>> English as a first language.
>>>>
>>>> The final total for all schools is 905,610 pupils, or 14 percent ? but
>>>> this does not include second or third generation immigrant children
>>>> who do speak English at home.The growth in non-indigenous pupil
>>>> numbers also directly parallels the rise in pupils eligible for Free
>>>> School Meals (FSM), which, according to reports, is a measure of
>>>> poverty. In secondary schools, 15.4 percent, or 441,000 pupils, are
>>>> eligible for the dinners, up from 14.5 percent, or 417,970 pupils last
>>>> year. It means an extra 23,000 secondary school pupils are now
>>>> eligible for the dinners than there were in 2009.
>>>>
>>>> According to University of Bristol research issued in January this
>>>> year, the number of white primary school pupils in London has fallen
>>>> by a quarter since 2002.The research defined a school as ?minority
>>>> white? if less than 30 percent of its pupil base was white. Using that
>>>> measure ? which is clearly inadequate ? the number of white minority
>>>> primary schools in London rose from 22 percent to 36 percent between
>>>> 2002 and 2008. This means that only 6 percent of primary schools in
>>>> London now have a ?substantial white majority,? the researchers said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/05/15/the-colonisation-of-britain-continues-16-of-primary-school-children-do-not-speak-english-as-their-home-language/
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>>
>> Harold F. Schiffman
>>
>> Professor Emeritus of
>> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
>> Dept. of South Asia Studies
>> University of Pennsylvania
>> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>>
>> Phone: (215) 898-7475
>> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>>
>> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
>> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:29:08 +0100
From: Dave Sayers <dave.sayers at cantab.net>
Subject: [lg policy] BBC Wales Today on a community Welsh promotion
effort
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A piece on tonight's BBC Wales Today on a community-based effort to
promote the Welsh language. It's somewhat lacking in detail, more of a
general interest piece with some anecdotes from passers-by; nevertheless
an interesting little glimpse into a grass-roots campaign of sorts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sjcj8/BBC_Wales_Today_18_05_2010/?t=16m26s
I don't think this link will work outside the UK, I'm afraid.
Dave
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Honorary Research Fellow
School of the Environment and Society
Swansea University
d.sayers at swansea.ac.uk
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 01:54:26 +0100
From: Anthea Fraser Gupta <A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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Hal said "[At the end of this article there are 53 comments. Some of them might
be offensive to some people, so I have decided not to include them (HS)]"
HAL.... Offensive things must be read and responded to, not swept under carpets. PLEEEEEEASE continue to forward offensive things that we would not otherwise see. We all need to know what ideas are out there and not just wrap ourselves up in a comfortably non-racist, non-sexist world of egalitarian lovey doveyness.
Anthea
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School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
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From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Schiffman [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
Sent: 17 May 2010 15:32
To: lp
Subject: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
Mother Tongue Language
There is much controversy over the issue of the mother tongue
language. I do not have my personal view about whether the weightage
should remain the same or be reduced.
I wish to express my concerns on two issues:
a) Some people hold strong views that the weightage should be
maintained while others felt strongly that it should be reduced. I am
concerned about the manner in which the views were expressed, without
regard for the views of other people who may be in different
circumstances.
b) There seem to be a loss of trust in the government leaders to find
the right balance that takes into account the diverse views of the
people. I believe that they have the responsibility to seek the right
policy which accommodates the views and needs as many people as
possible.
I believe that it is possible to encourage students to learn a second
language, without forcing them to do it through the "weightage" in the
PSLE.
Tan Kin Lian
[At the end of this article there are 53 comments. Some of them might
be offensive to some people, so I
have decided not to include them (HS)]
http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-tongue-language.html
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 02:05:02 +0100
From: Anthea Fraser Gupta <A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
Primary School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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CRUCIAL to see this sort of crap. Thanks Hal -- saves me looking at the BNP website (which I recommend to you all, btw).
I thought that by getting in first and drawing people's attention to the NPI I would prevent this problem.... All of Hal's forwardings come from a particular political context and it is part of our role as language policy analysts/makers/advisors etc. to situate the politics of public discussion. I generally make comments on the places I know best (especially UK and Singapore) to help people less familiar situate the commentary. I would suggest that the best response to postings is to make a comment that helps those not familiar with the source understand the agenda the source might have.
BTW, some good news -- the British National Party (extreme right wing, racist, fighting for indigenous British people, violent, altogether nasty) did really really badly in the 6 May elections! So this report may be an attempt to regain lost ground too.
Anthea
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From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Davyth Hicks [davyth.hicks at eurolang.net]
Sent: 17 May 2010 10:30
To: Language Policy List
Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
Hi Harold,
Are you sure that you should send out this 'report' from the far right
British National Party and republished on this NPI site?
Best regards,
Davyth Hicks
Eurolang
Harold Schiffman wrote:
> The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary School Children
> Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>
> According to figures released in 2008, more than 30 state schools in
> England were made up solely of ethnic minority pupils with no white
> children on the roll. The rapid takeover of Britain by non-indigenous
> peoples has been confirmed by new Department of Education figures
> which have revealed that 16 percent of primary school children aged 11
> and under speak English as a second language. This translates to
> 518,020 pupils. In secondary schools, around 11.6 percent or 378,210
> pupils do not speak English as a first language.
> At special schools, 9,380 pupils, or 10.9 percent, do not speak
> English as a first language.
>
> The final total for all schools is 905,610 pupils, or 14 percent ? but
> this does not include second or third generation immigrant children
> who do speak English at home.The growth in non-indigenous pupil
> numbers also directly parallels the rise in pupils eligible for Free
> School Meals (FSM), which, according to reports, is a measure of
> poverty. In secondary schools, 15.4 percent, or 441,000 pupils, are
> eligible for the dinners, up from 14.5 percent, or 417,970 pupils last
> year. It means an extra 23,000 secondary school pupils are now
> eligible for the dinners than there were in 2009.
>
> According to University of Bristol research issued in January this
> year, the number of white primary school pupils in London has fallen
> by a quarter since 2002.The research defined a school as ?minority
> white? if less than 30 percent of its pupil base was white. Using that
> measure ? which is clearly inadequate ? the number of white minority
> primary schools in London rose from 22 percent to 36 percent between
> 2002 and 2008. This means that only 6 percent of primary schools in
> London now have a ?substantial white majority,? the researchers said.
>
> http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/05/15/the-colonisation-of-britain-continues-16-of-primary-school-children-do-not-speak-english-as-their-home-language/
> --
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:43:00 +0530
From: aditi ghosh <aditi.gh at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
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I think it is a great suggestion.
I would also like to join others in extending support and appreciation to
Professor Schiffman for maintaining this list. It is important to know the
most chauvinistic/racial approaches to language policy form a
rational response (or protest) to those.
Regards,
Aditi Ghosh
On 18 May 2010 21:12, Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear members,
>
> I thank all those of you who have responded on this issue, all of whom
> have been supportive of continuing to send messages,
> even "offensive" ones, as a way to ensure that we know what we are
> dealing with "out there" and that we won't get
> complacent about sentiments we do not agree with. I currently have a
> disclaimer at the end of all messages I send,
> in which people are encouraged to post a rejoinder if they disagree
> with something. I would like to amend this to
> recommend in addition that if members disagree with, say, a message
> from the British National Party, or from the English
> Only people, that they write to those people, and register their
> discontent with them directly. A copy of that message
> could be forwarded to this list, just so we know about it.
>
> Yours,
>
> Hal Schiffman
>
> --
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>
> Harold F. Schiffman
>
> Professor Emeritus of
> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
> Dept. of South Asia Studies
> University of Pennsylvania
> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>
> Phone: (215) 898-7475
> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>
> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:48:56 -0400
From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
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Dear Anthea and others:
Actually, the real reason I didn't forward the comments was that it
was a HUGE list and
I figured that rather than clog peoples' mailboxes, those who wanted
to see the comments
could access the article via the URL and see what they said.
HS
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Anthea Fraser Gupta
<A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hal said ?"[At the end of this article there are 53 comments. ?Some of them might
> be offensive to some people, so I have decided not to include them (HS)]"
>
> HAL.... ?Offensive things must be read and responded to, not swept under carpets. PLEEEEEEASE continue to forward offensive things that we would not otherwise see. We all need to know what ideas are out there and not just wrap ourselves up in a comfortably non-racist, non-sexist world of egalitarian lovey doveyness.
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> Anthea
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> Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)
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> From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Schiffman [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 May 2010 15:32
> To: lp
> Subject: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
>
> Mother Tongue Language
> There is much controversy over the issue of the mother tongue
> language. I do not have my personal view about whether the weightage
> should remain the same or be reduced.
>
> I wish to express my concerns on two issues:
>
> a) Some people hold strong views that the weightage should be
> maintained while others felt strongly that it should be reduced. I am
> concerned about the manner in which the views were expressed, without
> regard for the views of other people who may be in different
> circumstances.
>
> b) There seem to be a loss of trust in the government leaders to find
> the right balance that takes into account the diverse views of the
> people. I believe that they have the responsibility to seek the right
> policy which accommodates the views and needs as many people as
> possible.
>
> I believe that it is possible to encourage students to learn a second
> language, without forcing them to do it through the "weightage" in the
> PSLE.
>
> Tan Kin Lian
>
> [At the end of this article there are 53 comments. ?Some of them might
> be offensive to some people, so I
> have decided not to include them (HS)]
>
> http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-tongue-language.html
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Harold F. Schiffman
Professor Emeritus of
Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
Dept. of South Asia Studies
University of Pennsylvania
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:52:37 -0400
From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
Subject: [lg policy] Linguistic Hygiene: An F (Bomb) in Oral
Communications
To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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An F (Bomb) in Oral Communications
Isaac Rosenbloom was among a small group of students who stuck around
after speech class one day this spring at Hinds Community College to
discuss their grades with the instructor. After seeing that he had
received a 74 on a late assignment, Mr. Rosenbloom testified in a
recorded disciplinary hearing, he turned to one of his peers and said,
"this grade is going to [expletive] up my entire GPA." He says the
instructor, Barbara Pyle, heard him and "went into a screaming fit,"
telling him that she does not tolerate offensive language and
threatening to send him to detention.
"I told her, 'This is college, and I'm 30 years old,'" Mr. Rosenbloom
testified. "'There is no detention.'" After being summoned to the
dean's office, Mr. Rosenbloom sought the assistance of the Foundation
for Individual Rights in Education, the free-speech advocacy group,
which issued a statement defending the right of adults to use naughty
words.
"It is quite absurd that a college has decided that a 29-year-old man
who uses a four-letter word out of frustration after a class should be
officially punished," FIRE Vice President Robert Shibley said in a
statement. "College students don't lose their free speech rights when
they arrive on campus. Will Hinds be sending its students to bed
without supper next?"
While Mr. Rosenbloom is actually being disciplined for "flagrant
disrespect," FIRE wrote President Clyde Muse to tell him that the
college's speech policies are unconstitutional and were "applied
unconstitutionally to punish Rosenbloom for his protected speech
outside of class." The college bans "public profanity, cursing, and
vulgarity." Violators can be fined $25 to $50 or, for a third offense,
be suspended from college.
According to FIRE, Mr. Rosenbloom was banned from Ms. Pyle's course
and given 12 demerits (three short of suspension). In addition, a
description of the case is being placed on his permanent record. An
appeal to President Muse is pending. ?Don Troop
http://chronicle.com/blogPost/An-F-Bomb-in-Oral/24088/?sid=pm&utm_source=pm&utm_medium=en
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Harold F. Schiffman
Professor Emeritus of
Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
Dept. of South Asia Studies
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
Phone: (215) 898-7475
Fax: (215) 573-2138
Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:08:06 -0400
From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
Subject: [lg policy] bibitem: Contemporary perspectives on language
policy and literacy instruction in early childhood education
To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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Contemporary perspectives on language policy and literacy instruction
in early childhood education
Author(s): Saracho, Olivia N.; Spodek, Bernard
Date Issued: 2004
Publisher(s): Information Age Publishing
Source: Greenwich, CT: Information Age Publishing.
Description: A collection of discussions on preschool children's
language acquisition and early literacy, focusing on literacy and
language development of children who are non-native English speakers
Topics: Children & Child Development > Child Development & School
Readiness > Early Literacy
Children & Child Development > Special Needs Children & Special Child
Populations > Native Language
ISBN: 1-59311-121-5 (hardcover); 1-59311-120-7 (paperback)
-- http://www.researchconnections.org/childcare/resources/3847;jsessionid=409C8A90B27C6FF8AC933FE6CD000DB6?classifCode=1-3-3
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:10:28 -0400
From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
Subject: [lg policy] NZ: Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy
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Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy
News & Issues
0 Samoan Language Week is fast approaching
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Samoan Language Week/Vaiaso o le Gagana S??moa takes place this year
from 30 May-5 June. The week will be officially launched on Sunday
evening 30 May with a service at the Malaeola Hall in Mangere at 6pm.
Continue reading???
0 O Le Gagana Samoa meets Reo M??ori forum and panel discussion
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
A forum on the preservation of Samoan and M??ori languages in Aotearoa
will be hosted by the Human Rights Commisson in Wellington on
Wednesday 2 June from 3.30-5.30pm. The discussion will focus on the
right to language and is in celebration of Samoan Language Week (30
May-5 June 2010) and Te Wiki o Te Reo M??ori (26 July-1 August).
Continue reading???
0 Trilingual Maara Kai programme a ???trail blazer???
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Disability Issues Minister Tariana Turia has applauded a trilingual
programme that promotes te reo M??ori to the Deaf community. Maara Kai
is a television series that helps audiences to grow and make their own
produce.
Continue reading???
0 Trilingual kindergarten Toru Fet?? opens in Porirua
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Toru Fet?? is the first purpose-built Pacific Island kindergarten in
the country. It was born out of the common goals of three existing
playgroups based in Porirua East: Niue Aoga Tama Ikiiki, Te Punanga
Reo Kuki Airani Porirua and Akoga Tuvalu.
Continue reading???
0 M?? Te Reo Fund to end
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
M?? Te Reo is a $15 million government-funded programme that was
established by the Minister of M??ori Affairs in 2001 to support
projects, programmes and activities that contribute to local level
M??ori language regeneration.
Continue reading???
0 Literacy and NZ Sign Language lessons
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
English Language Partners Christchurch has been running literacy and
sign language lessons for a group of five Deaf refugees in the
city.The classes have been described as a lifeline for the students,
facilitating communication and working to prevent experiences of
isolation.
Continue reading???
0 QBook application teaches children to read in six languages
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Kiwa Media is a M??ori company breaking new ground with their new
application QBook. QBook that can be used on iPhone, iPod Touch and
iPad to teach children how to read books in te reo M??ori, US English,
Japanese, German, French and Spanish using touch technology. Visit the
Kiwa Media website for more information.
0 New language course offers migrants help in understanding the Kiwi accent
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Puzzled migrants are being offered a course in how to understand the
???Kay-weay eksent???. The Auckland Regional Migrant Services (ARMS)
Charitable Trust promises the classes will help foreigners ???understand
the Kiwi accent and use of English???.
Continue reading???
0 Chinese-language school opened in the Bay of Plenty
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
The Bay of Plenty Chinese Cultural Society was launched in January,
and a Bay of Plenty Chinese language school teaching Mandarin for
beginners, intermediate and advanced level was subsequently started.
Continue reading???
0 New chief executive appointed for Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M??ori
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Ng??ti Porou educationalist Glenis Philip-Barbara has been appointed
the new Chief Executive of Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M??ori/the M??ori
Language Commission.
Continue reading???
0 Matakite Productions Celebrates Ten Years of M??ori Focus
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Matakite Productions, publishers of New Zealand???s only comprehensive
M??ori and English bilingual loose-leaf Matariki diary, journal and
time planner, ??RUA Matariki He Maramataka M??ori, is celebrating its
tenth year of enhancing diversity and encouraging the use of te reo
M??ori as a living language in today???s world.
Continue reading???
0 Celebrate M??ori Focus Month with Newspapers in Education
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
In the lead up to Matariki in June and M??ori Language Week on July
26-August 1, Newspapers in Education (NiE) will be publishing four
separate 8-page mini newspapers across levels 2-5.
Continue reading???
0 NZ-China scholarship 2011
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Each year, the Confucius Institute in Auckland offers up to 10
scholarships for advanced Chinese language study in China, in
cooperation with China???s Ministry of Education.
Continue reading???
Future Events
0 Chinese film screening 27 May
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
This month???s Chinese feature film is Thei-go King and His Son (Qiwang
he ta de er-zi) and it will screen in Committee Room No 1, Wellington
City Council, 101 Wakefield Street on 27 May.
Continue reading???
0 Samoan Language Week 2010
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Samoan Language Week 2010 will be held during the week of 30 May-5
June in order to coincide with Samoan Independence Day on 1 June. The
theme for 2010 is ???O le T??tou gagana S??moa I Niu Sila - Our Samoan
language in New Zealand???. If you have any news or want to register
your event for Samoan Language Week 2010, please email the Commission.
0 New Zealand Association of Language Teachers Conference 2010
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
The New Zealand Association of Language Teachers??? Biennial
International Conference will be held 4-7 July 2010 at the Rydges
Lakeland Hotel in Queenstown, and will focus on the new curriculum,
e-learning, literacy and inquiry learning.
Continue reading???
0 New Zealand Society of Translators and Interpreters (NZSTI) Conference 2010
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
The annual NZSTI Conference will be hosted by the Canterbury branch of
NZSTI in Christchurch from 10-11 July 2010.
Continue reading???
0 Hui on M??ori Literacy within M??ori Medium Education
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
A hui on M??ori Literacy within M??ori Medium Education and bi-lingual
units in English Medium Education will be held at Tangatarua Marae,
Waiaraiki Polytechnic, Rotorua from 12-16 July 2010.
Continue reading???
0 M??ori Language Week/Te Wiki o te Reo M??ori 2010
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
Te Wiki o te Reo M??ori 2010 will be held from 26 July-1 August 2010.
The theme this year is ???Te Mahi Kai - the language of Food???.
Continue reading???
0 Critical Link 6 Interpreting in a Changing Landscape conference
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
The ???Critical Link 6??? Interpreting in a Changing Landscape conference
will be held from 26-30 July 2010. The aim is to bring together
representatives from all spheres of the public service interpreting
community, and to examine the role of interpreters in the world.
Continue reading???
0 CLESOL 2010 conference
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
The Community Languages and English for Speakers of Other Languages
(CLESOL) 2010 conference will be held 1-4 October 2010 at King???s High
School in Dunedin.
Continue reading???
0 Huia Te Reo/M??ori Language Expo 2010
Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
In 2010, the M??ori Language Expo will take place from 8-9 October at
the Energy Events Centre in Rotorua.
Continue reading???
http://www.hrc.co.nz/newsletters/diversity-action-programme/te-waka-reo/2010/05/
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