[lg policy] RE: Policy on publishing racist and fascist material on the list
R K Hopson
hopson at DUQ.EDU
Thu May 20 13:19:39 UTC 2010
Thanks for this current discussion. I find it quite engaging actually.
I'm also not necessarily for a policy statement of sort but a sort of
guidelines or principles might not be a bad idea. That is, we could
suggest a behavior (unless this already exists, Hal!), an ethical code of
sorts.
Then again, to follow Anthea's post, surely we can define racism and
fascism. I don't read your post to suggest that these key concepts are
not definable. I believe what I understand you to say that these notions
and applications of racism and fascism are both context-specific and
arguable, no? And, we're not simply talking about giving offense to
someone, are we?
Best,
RKH
> I agree that we should engage with what we disagree with. But I think it
> would be quite wrong for this list to have a political policy. If we said
> that "this list does not support racist and fascist ideologies", we would
> have to define 'racist' and 'fascist'. Not easy and would put a lot of our
> core areas out of discussion.
>
> Are policies that favour one 'race' over another 'racist' (relates to
> issues around, for example, Hindi in India, Malay in Malaysia, Welsh in
> the UK...)? How would anyone be able to say anything about
> Israel/Palestine without someone thinking they were being racist? What IS
> the core ideology of fascism (something Obama and the UK health service
> have been accused of, inter alia). Should we respect the view of those
> strongly opposed to (or in favour of) other ideologies too (for example,
> communism or Christianity)?
>
> I don't think we should go down the route of a political policy (even
> supposing we collectively agreed on it). It is essential that members of
> this list debate and analyse. If you look at some of my papers on policy,
> you'll see that I have engaged with (well, mostly against) 'mother tongue
> education' and 'indigeneity' -- hard to be into that sort of stuff without
> giving offence to someone.
>
> Anthea
>
> * * * * *
> Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)
> School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
> <www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg>
> * * * * *
>
> ________________________________________
> From: lgpolicy-list-bounces+a.f.gupta=leeds.ac.uk at groups.sas.upenn.edu
> [lgpolicy-list-bounces+a.f.gupta=leeds.ac.uk at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On
> Behalf Of Kerry Taylor-Leech [Kerry.Taylor-Leech at usq.edu.au]
> Sent: 20 May 2010 00:31
> To: lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu
> Subject: [lg policy] RE: Policy on publishing racist and fascist material
> on the list
>
> I agree that it is useful (if sickening) to read these types of article so
> that we can "know our enemies" but with this kind of fascist material one
> can never be complacent. Any exposure of this kind of "literature"
> provides it with oxygen and airtime. These organisations know what they
> are doing when they write their inflammatory material and they aim to
> insert thmelseves into debates anywhere they can.
> I think it is quite wrong to attack those list readers who question the
> posting of this stuff on this list. Fascist material cannot appear on the
> list uncriticised. Doing so provides these organisations with another
> platform. Let's not forget that the NP ran for a seat in the recent
> British elections in a constituency where they would have once been run
> off the streets. That's how acceptable their ideologies have become. Yes
> post this garbage up but not without a loud and clear statement that this
> list does not support racist and fascist ideologies.
> Kerry
>
> Dr Kerry Taylor-Leech
> Lecturer in Applied Linguistics
> Faculty of Education
> University of Southern Queensland
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> 1. Re: Policy on disagreeable messages (Kephart, Ronald)
> 2. Re: The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
> PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home
> Language (Stan Anonby)
> 3. BBC Wales Today on a community Welsh promotion effort
> (Dave Sayers)
> 4. RE: Singapore: Mother Tongue Language (Anthea Fraser Gupta)
> 5. RE: The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary
> School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
> (Anthea Fraser Gupta)
> 6. Re: Policy on disagreeable messages (aditi ghosh)
> 7. Re: Singapore: Mother Tongue Language (Harold Schiffman)
> 8. Linguistic Hygiene: An F (Bomb) in Oral Communications
> (Harold Schiffman)
> 9. bibitem: Contemporary perspectives on language policy and
> literacy instruction in early childhood education (Harold Schiffman)
> 10. NZ: Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy (Harold Schiffman)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:07:25 -0400
> From: "Kephart, Ronald" <rkephart at unf.edu>
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> I second that motion!
>
> Ron
> --
> Ronald Kephart
> Associate Professor of Anthropology
> and Linguistics
> Coordinator, Anthropology Program
> University of North Florida
>
>
> On 5/18/10 11:55 AM, "Miriam E Ebsworth" <mee1 at nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> Excellent suggestion Hal!
>
> Keep'em coming.
>
> It's important to hear all voices, even the nasty ones. And it's equally
> important to challenge purported facts and conclusions that we know to be
> untrue.
>
> With respect and appreciation,
> Miriam
>
> Miriam Eisenstein Ebsworth, Ph.D.
> <MEE1 at nyu.edu>
> Director of Doctoral Programs in Multilingual Multicultural Studies
> New York University,635 East Building
> 239 Greene St., New York, NY 10003
>
> work phone: 212-998-5195
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:45 am
> Subject: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
> To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
>
>
>> Dear members,
>>
>> I thank all those of you who have responded on this issue, all of whom
>> have been supportive of continuing to send messages,
>> even "offensive" ones, as a way to ensure that we know what we are
>> dealing with "out there" and that we won't get
>> complacent about sentiments we do not agree with. I currently have a
>> disclaimer at the end of all messages I send,
>> in which people are encouraged to post a rejoinder if they disagree
>> with something. I would like to amend this to
>> recommend in addition that if members disagree with, say, a message
>> from the British National Party, or from the English
>> Only people, that they write to those people, and register their
>> discontent with them directly. A copy of that message
>> could be forwarded to this list, just so we know about it.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Hal Schiffman
>>
>> --
>> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>>
>> Harold F. Schiffman
>>
>> Professor Emeritus of
>> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
>> Dept. of South Asia Studies
>> University of Pennsylvania
>> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>>
>> Phone: (215) 898-7475
>> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>>
>> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
>> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:58:36 -0700
> From: "Stan Anonby" <stan-sandy_anonby at sil.org>
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
> PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
> To: "Language Policy List" <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> Hah!
>
> Great suggestion, Christina!
>
> Stan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina Paulston" <paulston at pitt.edu>
> To: "Language Policy List" <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
> PrimarySchool Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>
>
>> Hal,
>> I have a better suggestion. Just cut off from the list and blacklist
>> for
>> the future people who just want their opinions
>> published (like whoever Davyth and others are) and who don't understand
>> that it is crucial to know what all opinions are.
>> Then we don't have to waste your time repeatedly with this stuff. Keep
>> up the good work -- I and my students are most grateful to you,
>> Christina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Harold Schiffman wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Davyth and others,
>>>
>>> Here we go again. I tend to forward messages on the topic of language
>>> policy (which often
>>> includes immigration policy) even if they originate with groups that
>>> most of us would
>>> disagree with. I publish a disclaimer at the end of every message,
>>> assuming that folks
>>> can figure out what the message is all about, and that it is not the
>>> opinion of myself, or
>>> of others on this list. I assume (as do many others) that we need to
>>> know what such
>>> groups are saying, even if we don't agree with them. I've gotten flak
>>> recently for sending
>>> some unpleasant messages, but most members seem to support the idea
>>> that
>>> we need
>>> to know who our 'enemies' are, and what they are saying. If however
>>> it is the overwhelming opinion
>>> of members of this group that we should NOT distribute such messages,
>>> I will change my
>>> strategy, but I predict that we would then become a 'nicey-nicey'
>>> listserv that favors one
>>> point of view, and I already see too much of that in various places.
>>> (I lived through the loyalty-oath
>>> controversies of the 1950's and 60's and would not like to see such a
>>> policy take over on this
>>> listserv.)
>>>
>>> Alternatively, should I "bracket" such unpleasant messages with
>>> "danger signals" so as to
>>> make it clear that it is unpalatable and disgusting, and might offend
>>> some of our readers?
>>> I could do that, but I think I would soon be more likely to turn this
>>> listserv over to someone
>>> else to manage.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Hal Schiffman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Davyth Hicks
>>> <davyth.hicks at eurolang.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Hi Harold,
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that you should send out this 'report' from the far
>>>> right
>>>> British National Party and republished on this NPI site?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Davyth Hicks
>>>> Eurolang
>>>>
>>>> Harold Schiffman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary School
>>>>> Children
>>>>> Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>>>>>
>>>>> According to figures released in 2008, more than 30 state schools in
>>>>> England were made up solely of ethnic minority pupils with no white
>>>>> children on the roll. The rapid takeover of Britain by non-
>>>>> indigenous
>>>>> peoples has been confirmed by new Department of Education figures
>>>>> which have revealed that 16 percent of primary school children aged
>>>>> 11
>>>>> and under speak English as a second language. This translates to
>>>>> 518,020 pupils. In secondary schools, around 11.6 percent or 378,210
>>>>> pupils do not speak English as a first language.
>>>>> At special schools, 9,380 pupils, or 10.9 percent, do not speak
>>>>> English as a first language.
>>>>>
>>>>> The final total for all schools is 905,610 pupils, or 14 percent ?
>>>>> but
>>>>> this does not include second or third generation immigrant children
>>>>> who do speak English at home.The growth in non-indigenous pupil
>>>>> numbers also directly parallels the rise in pupils eligible for Free
>>>>> School Meals (FSM), which, according to reports, is a measure of
>>>>> poverty. In secondary schools, 15.4 percent, or 441,000 pupils, are
>>>>> eligible for the dinners, up from 14.5 percent, or 417,970 pupils
>>>>> last
>>>>> year. It means an extra 23,000 secondary school pupils are now
>>>>> eligible for the dinners than there were in 2009.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to University of Bristol research issued in January this
>>>>> year, the number of white primary school pupils in London has fallen
>>>>> by a quarter since 2002.The research defined a school as ?minority
>>>>> white? if less than 30 percent of its pupil base was white. Using
>>>>> that
>>>>> measure ? which is clearly inadequate ? the number of white minority
>>>>> primary schools in London rose from 22 percent to 36 percent between
>>>>> 2002 and 2008. This means that only 6 percent of primary schools in
>>>>> London now have a ?substantial white majority,? the researchers
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/05/15/the-colonisation-of-britain-continues-16-of-primary-school-children-do-not-speak-english-as-their-home-language/
>>>>> --
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>>>
>>> Harold F. Schiffman
>>>
>>> Professor Emeritus of
>>> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
>>> Dept. of South Asia Studies
>>> University of Pennsylvania
>>> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>>>
>>> Phone: (215) 898-7475
>>> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:29:08 +0100
> From: Dave Sayers <dave.sayers at cantab.net>
> Subject: [lg policy] BBC Wales Today on a community Welsh promotion
> effort
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
> Message-ID: <4BF306A4.1040106 at cantab.net>
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> A piece on tonight's BBC Wales Today on a community-based effort to
> promote the Welsh language. It's somewhat lacking in detail, more of a
> general interest piece with some anecdotes from passers-by; nevertheless
> an interesting little glimpse into a grass-roots campaign of sorts.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sjcj8/BBC_Wales_Today_18_05_2010/?t=16m26s
>
> I don't think this link will work outside the UK, I'm afraid.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> Dr. Dave Sayers
> Honorary Research Fellow
> School of the Environment and Society
> Swansea University
> d.sayers at swansea.ac.uk
> http://swansea.academia.edu/DaveSayers
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 01:54:26 +0100
> From: Anthea Fraser Gupta <A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk>
> Subject: RE: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> Hal said "[At the end of this article there are 53 comments. Some of
> them might
> be offensive to some people, so I have decided not to include them (HS)]"
>
> HAL.... Offensive things must be read and responded to, not swept under
> carpets. PLEEEEEEASE continue to forward offensive things that we would
> not otherwise see. We all need to know what ideas are out there and not
> just wrap ourselves up in a comfortably non-racist, non-sexist world of
> egalitarian lovey doveyness.
>
> Anthea
>
> * * * * *
> Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)
> School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
> <www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg>
> * * * * *
>
> ________________________________________
> From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu
> [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Schiffman
> [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 May 2010 15:32
> To: lp
> Subject: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
>
> Mother Tongue Language
> There is much controversy over the issue of the mother tongue
> language. I do not have my personal view about whether the weightage
> should remain the same or be reduced.
>
> I wish to express my concerns on two issues:
>
> a) Some people hold strong views that the weightage should be
> maintained while others felt strongly that it should be reduced. I am
> concerned about the manner in which the views were expressed, without
> regard for the views of other people who may be in different
> circumstances.
>
> b) There seem to be a loss of trust in the government leaders to find
> the right balance that takes into account the diverse views of the
> people. I believe that they have the responsibility to seek the right
> policy which accommodates the views and needs as many people as
> possible.
>
> I believe that it is possible to encourage students to learn a second
> language, without forcing them to do it through the "weightage" in the
> PSLE.
>
> Tan Kin Lian
>
> [At the end of this article there are 53 comments. Some of them might
> be offensive to some people, so I
> have decided not to include them (HS)]
>
> http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-tongue-language.html
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 02:05:02 +0100
> From: Anthea Fraser Gupta <A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk>
> Subject: RE: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
> Primary School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home
> Language
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> CRUCIAL to see this sort of crap. Thanks Hal -- saves me looking at the
> BNP website (which I recommend to you all, btw).
>
> I thought that by getting in first and drawing people's attention to the
> NPI I would prevent this problem.... All of Hal's forwardings come from a
> particular political context and it is part of our role as language policy
> analysts/makers/advisors etc. to situate the politics of public
> discussion. I generally make comments on the places I know best
> (especially UK and Singapore) to help people less familiar situate the
> commentary. I would suggest that the best response to postings is to make
> a comment that helps those not familiar with the source understand the
> agenda the source might have.
>
> BTW, some good news -- the British National Party (extreme right wing,
> racist, fighting for indigenous British people, violent, altogether nasty)
> did really really badly in the 6 May elections! So this report may be an
> attempt to regain lost ground too.
>
> Anthea
> * * * * *
> Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)
> School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
> <www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg>
> * * * * *
>
> ________________________________________
> From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu
> [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Davyth Hicks
> [davyth.hicks at eurolang.net]
> Sent: 17 May 2010 10:30
> To: Language Policy List
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of
> Primary School Children Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>
> Hi Harold,
>
> Are you sure that you should send out this 'report' from the far right
> British National Party and republished on this NPI site?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Davyth Hicks
> Eurolang
>
> Harold Schiffman wrote:
>> The Colonisation of Britain Continues: 16% of Primary School Children
>> Do not Speak English as Their Home Language
>>
>> According to figures released in 2008, more than 30 state schools in
>> England were made up solely of ethnic minority pupils with no white
>> children on the roll. The rapid takeover of Britain by non-indigenous
>> peoples has been confirmed by new Department of Education figures
>> which have revealed that 16 percent of primary school children aged 11
>> and under speak English as a second language. This translates to
>> 518,020 pupils. In secondary schools, around 11.6 percent or 378,210
>> pupils do not speak English as a first language.
>> At special schools, 9,380 pupils, or 10.9 percent, do not speak
>> English as a first language.
>>
>> The final total for all schools is 905,610 pupils, or 14 percent ? but
>> this does not include second or third generation immigrant children
>> who do speak English at home.The growth in non-indigenous pupil
>> numbers also directly parallels the rise in pupils eligible for Free
>> School Meals (FSM), which, according to reports, is a measure of
>> poverty. In secondary schools, 15.4 percent, or 441,000 pupils, are
>> eligible for the dinners, up from 14.5 percent, or 417,970 pupils last
>> year. It means an extra 23,000 secondary school pupils are now
>> eligible for the dinners than there were in 2009.
>>
>> According to University of Bristol research issued in January this
>> year, the number of white primary school pupils in London has fallen
>> by a quarter since 2002.The research defined a school as ?minority
>> white? if less than 30 percent of its pupil base was white. Using that
>> measure ? which is clearly inadequate ? the number of white minority
>> primary schools in London rose from 22 percent to 36 percent between
>> 2002 and 2008. This means that only 6 percent of primary schools in
>> London now have a ?substantial white majority,? the researchers said.
>>
>> http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/05/15/the-colonisation-of-britain-continues-16-of-primary-school-children-do-not-speak-english-as-their-home-language/
>> --
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:43:00 +0530
> From: aditi ghosh <aditi.gh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] Policy on disagreeable messages
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> I think it is a great suggestion.
> I would also like to join others in extending support and appreciation to
> Professor Schiffman for maintaining this list. It is important to know the
> most chauvinistic/racial approaches to language policy form a
> rational response (or protest) to those.
> Regards,
> Aditi Ghosh
>
> On 18 May 2010 21:12, Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear members,
>>
>> I thank all those of you who have responded on this issue, all of whom
>> have been supportive of continuing to send messages,
>> even "offensive" ones, as a way to ensure that we know what we are
>> dealing with "out there" and that we won't get
>> complacent about sentiments we do not agree with. I currently have a
>> disclaimer at the end of all messages I send,
>> in which people are encouraged to post a rejoinder if they disagree
>> with something. I would like to amend this to
>> recommend in addition that if members disagree with, say, a message
>> from the British National Party, or from the English
>> Only people, that they write to those people, and register their
>> discontent with them directly. A copy of that message
>> could be forwarded to this list, just so we know about it.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Hal Schiffman
>>
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>> Harold F. Schiffman
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>> Professor Emeritus of
>> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
>> Dept. of South Asia Studies
>> University of Pennsylvania
>> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>>
>> Phone: (215) 898-7475
>> Fax: (215) 573-2138
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:48:56 -0400
> From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> Dear Anthea and others:
>
> Actually, the real reason I didn't forward the comments was that it
> was a HUGE list and
> I figured that rather than clog peoples' mailboxes, those who wanted
> to see the comments
> could access the article via the URL and see what they said.
>
> HS
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Anthea Fraser Gupta
> <A.F.Gupta at leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hal said ?"[At the end of this article there are 53 comments. ?Some of
>> them might
>> be offensive to some people, so I have decided not to include them
>> (HS)]"
>>
>> HAL.... ?Offensive things must be read and responded to, not swept under
>> carpets. PLEEEEEEASE continue to forward offensive things that we would
>> not otherwise see. We all need to know what ideas are out there and not
>> just wrap ourselves up in a comfortably non-racist, non-sexist world of
>> egalitarian lovey doveyness.
>>
>> Anthea
>>
>> * ? ? * ? ? * ? ? * ? ? *
>> Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)
>> School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
>> <www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg>
>> * ? ? * ? ? * ? ? * ? ? *
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu
>> [lgpolicy-list-bounces at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold
>> Schiffman [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 17 May 2010 15:32
>> To: lp
>> Subject: [lg policy] Singapore: Mother Tongue Language
>>
>> Mother Tongue Language
>> There is much controversy over the issue of the mother tongue
>> language. I do not have my personal view about whether the weightage
>> should remain the same or be reduced.
>>
>> I wish to express my concerns on two issues:
>>
>> a) Some people hold strong views that the weightage should be
>> maintained while others felt strongly that it should be reduced. I am
>> concerned about the manner in which the views were expressed, without
>> regard for the views of other people who may be in different
>> circumstances.
>>
>> b) There seem to be a loss of trust in the government leaders to find
>> the right balance that takes into account the diverse views of the
>> people. I believe that they have the responsibility to seek the right
>> policy which accommodates the views and needs as many people as
>> possible.
>>
>> I believe that it is possible to encourage students to learn a second
>> language, without forcing them to do it through the "weightage" in the
>> PSLE.
>>
>> Tan Kin Lian
>>
>> [At the end of this article there are 53 comments. ?Some of them might
>> be offensive to some people, so I
>> have decided not to include them (HS)]
>>
>> http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-tongue-language.html
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> Harold F. Schiffman
>
> Professor Emeritus of
> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
> Dept. of South Asia Studies
> University of Pennsylvania
> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>
> Phone: (215) 898-7475
> Fax: (215) 573-2138
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> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:52:37 -0400
> From: Harold Schiffman <haroldfs at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lg policy] Linguistic Hygiene: An F (Bomb) in Oral
> Communications
> To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> An F (Bomb) in Oral Communications
>
> Isaac Rosenbloom was among a small group of students who stuck around
> after speech class one day this spring at Hinds Community College to
> discuss their grades with the instructor. After seeing that he had
> received a 74 on a late assignment, Mr. Rosenbloom testified in a
> recorded disciplinary hearing, he turned to one of his peers and said,
> "this grade is going to [expletive] up my entire GPA." He says the
> instructor, Barbara Pyle, heard him and "went into a screaming fit,"
> telling him that she does not tolerate offensive language and
> threatening to send him to detention.
>
> "I told her, 'This is college, and I'm 30 years old,'" Mr. Rosenbloom
> testified. "'There is no detention.'" After being summoned to the
> dean's office, Mr. Rosenbloom sought the assistance of the Foundation
> for Individual Rights in Education, the free-speech advocacy group,
> which issued a statement defending the right of adults to use naughty
> words.
> "It is quite absurd that a college has decided that a 29-year-old man
> who uses a four-letter word out of frustration after a class should be
> officially punished," FIRE Vice President Robert Shibley said in a
> statement. "College students don't lose their free speech rights when
> they arrive on campus. Will Hinds be sending its students to bed
> without supper next?"
>
> While Mr. Rosenbloom is actually being disciplined for "flagrant
> disrespect," FIRE wrote President Clyde Muse to tell him that the
> college's speech policies are unconstitutional and were "applied
> unconstitutionally to punish Rosenbloom for his protected speech
> outside of class." The college bans "public profanity, cursing, and
> vulgarity." Violators can be fined $25 to $50 or, for a third offense,
> be suspended from college.
>
> According to FIRE, Mr. Rosenbloom was banned from Ms. Pyle's course
> and given 12 demerits (three short of suspension). In addition, a
> description of the case is being placed on his permanent record. An
> appeal to President Muse is pending. ?Don Troop
>
> http://chronicle.com/blogPost/An-F-Bomb-in-Oral/24088/?sid=pm&utm_source=pm&utm_medium=en
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> Harold F. Schiffman
>
> Professor Emeritus of
> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
> Dept. of South Asia Studies
> University of Pennsylvania
> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305
>
> Phone: (215) 898-7475
> Fax: (215) 573-2138
>
> Email: haroldfs at gmail.com
> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:08:06 -0400
> From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lg policy] bibitem: Contemporary perspectives on language
> policy and literacy instruction in early childhood education
> To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> Contemporary perspectives on language policy and literacy instruction
> in early childhood education
>
> Author(s): Saracho, Olivia N.; Spodek, Bernard
> Date Issued: 2004
> Publisher(s): Information Age Publishing
> Source: Greenwich, CT: Information Age Publishing.
>
> Description: A collection of discussions on preschool children's
> language acquisition and early literacy, focusing on literacy and
> language development of children who are non-native English speakers
> Topics: Children & Child Development > Child Development & School
> Readiness > Early Literacy
>
> Children & Child Development > Special Needs Children & Special Child
> Populations > Native Language
> ISBN: 1-59311-121-5 (hardcover); 1-59311-120-7 (paperback)
>
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> http://www.researchconnections.org/childcare/resources/3847;jsessionid=409C8A90B27C6FF8AC933FE6CD000DB6?classifCode=1-3-3
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:10:28 -0400
> From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lg policy] NZ: Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy
> To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> Te Waka Reo: National Language Policy
>
> News & Issues
> 0 Samoan Language Week is fast approaching
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Samoan Language Week/Vaiaso o le Gagana S??moa takes place this year
> from 30 May-5 June. The week will be officially launched on Sunday
> evening 30 May with a service at the Malaeola Hall in Mangere at 6pm.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 O Le Gagana Samoa meets Reo M??ori forum and panel discussion
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> A forum on the preservation of Samoan and M??ori languages in Aotearoa
> will be hosted by the Human Rights Commisson in Wellington on
> Wednesday 2 June from 3.30-5.30pm. The discussion will focus on the
> right to language and is in celebration of Samoan Language Week (30
> May-5 June 2010) and Te Wiki o Te Reo M??ori (26 July-1 August).
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Trilingual Maara Kai programme a ???trail blazer???
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Disability Issues Minister Tariana Turia has applauded a trilingual
> programme that promotes te reo M??ori to the Deaf community. Maara Kai
> is a television series that helps audiences to grow and make their own
> produce.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Trilingual kindergarten Toru Fet?? opens in Porirua
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Toru Fet?? is the first purpose-built Pacific Island kindergarten in
> the country. It was born out of the common goals of three existing
> playgroups based in Porirua East: Niue Aoga Tama Ikiiki, Te Punanga
> Reo Kuki Airani Porirua and Akoga Tuvalu.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 M?? Te Reo Fund to end
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> M?? Te Reo is a $15 million government-funded programme that was
> established by the Minister of M??ori Affairs in 2001 to support
> projects, programmes and activities that contribute to local level
> M??ori language regeneration.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Literacy and NZ Sign Language lessons
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> English Language Partners Christchurch has been running literacy and
> sign language lessons for a group of five Deaf refugees in the
> city.The classes have been described as a lifeline for the students,
> facilitating communication and working to prevent experiences of
> isolation.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 QBook application teaches children to read in six languages
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Kiwa Media is a M??ori company breaking new ground with their new
> application QBook. QBook that can be used on iPhone, iPod Touch and
> iPad to teach children how to read books in te reo M??ori, US English,
> Japanese, German, French and Spanish using touch technology. Visit the
> Kiwa Media website for more information.
>
> 0 New language course offers migrants help in understanding the Kiwi
> accent
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Puzzled migrants are being offered a course in how to understand the
> ???Kay-weay eksent???. The Auckland Regional Migrant Services (ARMS)
> Charitable Trust promises the classes will help foreigners ???understand
> the Kiwi accent and use of English???.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Chinese-language school opened in the Bay of Plenty
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> The Bay of Plenty Chinese Cultural Society was launched in January,
> and a Bay of Plenty Chinese language school teaching Mandarin for
> beginners, intermediate and advanced level was subsequently started.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 New chief executive appointed for Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M??ori
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Ng??ti Porou educationalist Glenis Philip-Barbara has been appointed
> the new Chief Executive of Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M??ori/the M??ori
> Language Commission.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Matakite Productions Celebrates Ten Years of M??ori Focus
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Matakite Productions, publishers of New Zealand???s only comprehensive
> M??ori and English bilingual loose-leaf Matariki diary, journal and
> time planner, ??RUA Matariki He Maramataka M??ori, is celebrating its
> tenth year of enhancing diversity and encouraging the use of te reo
> M??ori as a living language in today???s world.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Celebrate M??ori Focus Month with Newspapers in Education
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> In the lead up to Matariki in June and M??ori Language Week on July
> 26-August 1, Newspapers in Education (NiE) will be publishing four
> separate 8-page mini newspapers across levels 2-5.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 NZ-China scholarship 2011
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Each year, the Confucius Institute in Auckland offers up to 10
> scholarships for advanced Chinese language study in China, in
> cooperation with China???s Ministry of Education.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> Future Events
> 0 Chinese film screening 27 May
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> This month???s Chinese feature film is Thei-go King and His Son (Qiwang
> he ta de er-zi) and it will screen in Committee Room No 1, Wellington
> City Council, 101 Wakefield Street on 27 May.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Samoan Language Week 2010
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Samoan Language Week 2010 will be held during the week of 30 May-5
> June in order to coincide with Samoan Independence Day on 1 June. The
> theme for 2010 is ???O le T??tou gagana S??moa I Niu Sila - Our Samoan
> language in New Zealand???. If you have any news or want to register
> your event for Samoan Language Week 2010, please email the Commission.
>
> 0 New Zealand Association of Language Teachers Conference 2010
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> The New Zealand Association of Language Teachers??? Biennial
> International Conference will be held 4-7 July 2010 at the Rydges
> Lakeland Hotel in Queenstown, and will focus on the new curriculum,
> e-learning, literacy and inquiry learning.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 New Zealand Society of Translators and Interpreters (NZSTI) Conference
> 2010
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> The annual NZSTI Conference will be hosted by the Canterbury branch of
> NZSTI in Christchurch from 10-11 July 2010.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Hui on M??ori Literacy within M??ori Medium Education
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> A hui on M??ori Literacy within M??ori Medium Education and bi-lingual
> units in English Medium Education will be held at Tangatarua Marae,
> Waiaraiki Polytechnic, Rotorua from 12-16 July 2010.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 M??ori Language Week/Te Wiki o te Reo M??ori 2010
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> Te Wiki o te Reo M??ori 2010 will be held from 26 July-1 August 2010.
> The theme this year is ???Te Mahi Kai - the language of Food???.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Critical Link 6 Interpreting in a Changing Landscape conference
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> The ???Critical Link 6??? Interpreting in a Changing Landscape conference
> will be held from 26-30 July 2010. The aim is to bring together
> representatives from all spheres of the public service interpreting
> community, and to examine the role of interpreters in the world.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 CLESOL 2010 conference
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> The Community Languages and English for Speakers of Other Languages
> (CLESOL) 2010 conference will be held 1-4 October 2010 at King???s High
> School in Dunedin.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> 0 Huia Te Reo/M??ori Language Expo 2010
> Tuesday, May 18th, 2010
> In 2010, the M??ori Language Expo will take place from 8-9 October at
> the Energy Events Centre in Rotorua.
>
> Continue reading???
>
> http://www.hrc.co.nz/newsletters/diversity-action-programme/te-waka-reo/2010/05/
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