Pronouns: follow up

[Michael Noonan]

Florian et al:

This discussion has reminded me of two additional Eurasian [in the
broadest sense] examples of pronoun borrowing:

1. In Malay, college students some years ago started using English 'you'
and 'I' in order to avoid the social awkwardness [for moderns] of
traditional Malay pronominal usage. There are numerous discussions of
the phenomenon and how it has spread, but an easily accessed one
discussing the current sociolinguistic situation is:

http://www.sil.org/asia/philippines/ical/papers/othman-Current%20Trends%20in%20Pronoun%20Usage.pdf

2. The second example involves the borrowing of honorific pronouns from a
local prestige language.  The Munda language Korku borrowed Hindu
honorific 'you' a:p, for example.  

Mickey Noonan

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Wolfgang Schulze wrote:

> Dear Florian,
> just two additional remarks:
> 1. It is rather likely that the Nakh (Chechen/Ingush/Bats) first plural 
> inclusive *vay (or *way) has been borrowed from an Indoeuropean source, 
> compare IE *wei 'we' (sometimes put in oppositon to *no:s/nos etc. thus 
> distinguishing an inclusive from an exclusive).
> 
> 2. In Botlikh (Buykhe dialect; Awaro-Andian, East Caucasian), we have a 
> first singular absolutive den(i) that contrasts with an ergative is^kur. 
> This forms seems to have replaced an ergative *din (or, maybe, *den-di). 
> The etymology of is^kur is obscure. Its shape has a look-alike in Udi 
> (Nizh) dialect) is^q'ar 'man', but the sound correspondences are far 
> from being clear (note that Udi is an Eastern Samur language of the 
> Lezgian group. So what we need is first to reconstruct *is^kur for the 
> Andian or Awaro-Andian(-Tsezian) level before comparing it with the 
> proto-Lezgian of Udi is^q'ar ). Nevertheless, it may well be that 
> Botlikh is^kur originates from a noun denoting 'man'.
> 
> Reference: Schulze; Wolfgang 1999. The diachrony of personal pronouns in 
> East Caucasian. H. van den Berg (ed.). /Studies in Caucasian 
> Linguistics/. Leiden (CNWS 78):95-111 [a summary of chapter 2 of my book 
> manuscript 'Personalität in den Ostkaukasischen Sprachen'  (I can send 
> you a PDF version of this chapter, in case you want it..)....]
> 
> Very best wishes,
> Wolfgang
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