Question about head-marked datives

[hartmut at RUC.DK]

Dear Enrique,
there has been mentioning of Spanish clitics, but what about Modern Greek?
Modern Greek is more complicated since there is a 'dative' clitic on the verb
(actually a genitive used to mark Recipients), but no Dative proper in nouns,
so the clitic cannot co-index (head-mark) Dative objects in the same way it can
co-index Direct (Accusative) Objects.
Notice though a curious split with 'double accusatives' where the one
corresponds to a Dative clitic on the verb (see Hartmut Haberland and Ole
Nedergaard Thomsen 1991, The long and winding road towards a theory of
grammatical relations, Journal of Pragmatics 16(2):179-206, where this problem
is discussed on p. 191-3, also with respect to a curious case reported by Borg
and Comrie in Maltese with IO-marked NPs with accusative co-indexing on the
Verb).
Regards, Hartmut




Quoting Wolfgang Schulze <W.Schulze at LRZ.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>:

| Dear Enrique,
|
| What about West Caucasian, e.g. Abkhaz [pure head marking], compare (<E>
| = schwa):
|
| sará            a-xwEč’-k’wá        a-šwqw’-k'wá
| *rE*-s-t-o-yt’
| [O-*rE*-s-t-wa-yt']
| I:EPMPH  ART-child-PL          ART-book-PL
| 3pl:O-*3pl:IO*-1sg:A-give-PRES-DYN:IND
| 'I give the books to the children.'
|
| or Sumerian [both head and dependent marking], e.g.
|
| <ma-*ra-*an-dug4> = /mu-*ra*-n-dug4/ [Gudea]
| VENT-*2sg:IO*-3sg:A-speak:PERF
| 'He has spoken to/for me.'
|
| Best wishes,
| Wolfgang
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| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: "Enrique L. Palancar" <epalancar at HOTMAIL.COM>
| > To: LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
| > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:50:47 -0500
| > Subject: Question about head-marked datives
| >
| > Dear Colleages,
| > Lately, I have been wondering about head-marked datives. Chickasaw (also
| > Choktaw) (Muskogean) has been described in Munro (1999) and Munro and
| Gordon
| > (1982) to have a special set of dative pronominal affixes on the verb. The
| > set appears to have emerged from the fusion of older object encoding
| > pronominal prefixes with the dative applicative. These head-marked datives
| > do in Chickasaw quite a lot of the same things that dative case does in
| > other languages; besides, it also marks external possessor as in many
| > European languages, and it also reminds one of the dative subjects in
| > Icelandic/Old Norse and Dravidian lgs.
| >      Otomi (Otopamean; Otomanguean) is another family of Amerindian
| > languages that has head-marked datives. The feature has always struck me as
| > odd typologically, but it was never more than a gut-feeling. I wanted now
| to
| > pursue a better perspective on the subject in order to understand it a
| > little bit better, and I thought itÂ’d be good to send the following
| question
| > to the list:
| >
| > Does anybody know of other languages with similar datives?
| >
| > Needless to say, Spanish, along with other Romance lgs., could count as
| such
| > one language if one takes dative verbal clitics as part of verbal
| > inflection.
| >
| > Thank you very much for your help and for your knowledge,
| > Enrique Palancar
| >
| > -Munro, Pamela. 1999. Chickasaw Subjecthood, in Doris L. Payne and Immanuel
| > Barshi, External Possession, pp. 251-292. Amsterdam/Philadelphia: John
| > Benjamins.
| > -Munro, Pamela and Lynn Gordon. 1982. Syntactic Relations in Western
| > Muskogean: A Typological Perspective.  Language, 58:1, pp. 81-115.
| >
| >
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