[Lingtyp] question about sound alternation/change

[Mark Donohue]

Dear all,

A minor addition here.
To add to Henning's comments, I think (impressionistically) that there's an
asymmetry between reported synchronic changes, and reported diachronic
changes: while there are many reported cases of č/c --> t, I believe there
are more reported cases of t > č synchronically (with, typically, a high or
front vowel environment).
So, synchronically Japanese and Cia-Cia leap out at me as examples of t >
č, and many more if I think about it a bit more; and diachronically I can
think of some Western Skou languages which exemplify č/c --> t (well, a
voiced version thereof). But I think we have two different datasets here.

-Mark



On 5 April 2015 at 03:10, HENNING ANDERSEN <andersen at ucla.edu> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In internal reconstruction, it seems the interpretation of a č --> t
> alternation needs to consider that (i) the alternation may be the result of
> more than one sound change; if of one, (ii) č > t may be unconditioned,
> (iii) t > č is likely conditioned, and (iv) there may be rule inversion
> (Vennemann, Lingua 1973) somewhere along the way.
>
> Some things are not as straightforward as they look.
>
> H
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Sven Grawunder <grawunder at eva.mpg.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Eitan,
>>
>> we checked (for our paper on sound changes in Vilela) with a similar
>> question the ASJP-database (asjp.clld.org). See specifically the related
>> paper of Brown, Holman & Wichman 2013 for sound changes:
>> The t͡ʃ > t sound change ranks at the 3rd place among the top 50 most
>> frequent changes. c > t would be at rank 7.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Sven
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.04.15 um 12:32 schrieb Eitan Grossman:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'm interested in the extent to which synchronic alternations or sound
>>> changes like [c] > [t] are common (or not). The palatal 'input' could
>>> also be an affricate [t͡ʃ], the important thing being that the result is
>>> a dental or alveolar [t]-like segment.
>>>
>>> If anyone has examples of such a process, whether as a synchronic
>>> alternation or as a documented or reconstructible sound change, I'd be
>>> very happy to hear about it, and to post a summary.
>>>
>>> Thanks and happy holidays to all!
>>>
>>> Eitan
>>> Eitan Grossman
>>> Lecturer, Department of Linguistics/School of Language Sciences
>>> Hebrew University of Jerusalem
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