[Lingtyp] Kinship systems that distinguish age but not gender

[Kyla Quinn]

Okay, so looking through the parabank kin data we have so far....

For Alex' question....out of 300 odd languages there are 82 that don't
distinguish gender for younger siblings. There are 52 that don't
distinguish gender for older siblings. There is a 51 language cross over
between these two sets.  Most of these are Austronesian and North American
languages, with a few Australian and others scattered through.

For Siva's question...

There are some languages in the data set that exhibit this pattern but as a
cross pattern, so if you are male you distinguish for older brother and
younger brother but no age distinction for sisters and vice versa. There
are three languages that exhibit precisely what you've asked and there are
several other variations.

Happy to answer any other questions based on our data!!

Cheers,

Kyla

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Siva Kalyan <sivakalyan.princeton at gmail.com
> wrote:

> On a slight tangent, are there languages where male siblings are
> distinguished for age but female siblings aren't (or vice versa)?
>
> Siva
>
> On 19 Jul 2017, at 6:50 pm, David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:
>
> Matt beat me to it on Malay/Indonesian!  I would just like to add that
> while many (most?) varieties that I am familiar with work the way Matt
> describes, some exhibit an asymmetry in which elder siblings are
> distinguished for gender while younger ones are not.  This pattern is also
> evident in closely-related Minangkabau:
>
> adiak - 'younger sibling'
> uda - 'elder brother'
> uni - 'elder sister'
>
> And I suspect that it is common in other languages of the region.
>
>
> On 19/07/2017 10:40, Matthew Carroll wrote:
>
> Hi Guys
>
> What about Indonesian/Malay? kakak/adik for elder/younger sibling
> respectively.
>
> Best,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Hedvig Skirgård <
> hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear LINGTYP,
>>
>> Does anyone know of a language that has a distinction in the kinship
>> system for age of referent (younger/older) without also having a
>> distinction for gender of referent? For example, a language that marks
>> siblings as being younger or older to ego without reference to being sister
>> or brother.
>>
>> The hypothesis is that this doesn't happen/is very rare. We'd like to
>> know if you've come across any examples of this.
>>
>> I'm asking for my friend Alex (cc:ed) who is not on the list. Please
>> direct any responses or comments to her.
>>
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Kyla Quinn


PhD Candidate

ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language

College of Asia and the Pacific | The Australian National University


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