[Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct

Ana Krajinovic krajinoa at hu-berlin.de
Tue Nov 21 11:26:13 UTC 2017

Dear all,

Since people started subscribing to Martin's code, I feel a need to 
address it. Sadly, the phrase 'sexual harassment' is not even mentioned 
in it. It seems to me this is done on purpose, when in fact we need to 
talk about sexual harassment, especially in the context when the abuser 
is more senior.
As Kristine mentioned in her e-mail, the most problematic thing about 
sexual harassment is that you might not even notice that an interaction 
with a colleague is sexual from his part until it's too late and he 
manages to create an atmosphere in which you feel like you can't escape 
anymore for whatever reason. And then you might be too ashamed that you 
didn’t act on time and never report it. We need to talk about that kind 
of harassment, and it doesn't matter if it's motivated by recent events 
in the news or not. The fact is that we (maybe only some of us) live 
that reality across the globe and academia, including linguistics and 
ALT, is no exception by any means.

I hope that this bring some perspective to understanding how serious 
these issues are.

Ana Krajinovic

PhD student,

Humboldt-Univeristät zu Berlin/The University of Melbourne

Am 21.11.17 um 22:11 schrieb Siva Kalyan:
> Dear all,
> While I have nothing to add to the substance of this discussion, let 
> me point out that adopting a loosely-worded code of conduct leaves 
> open the option of adding provisions later (if enough people agree 
> that this is a good idea), whereas I suspect it is much harder to 
> remove provisions from a code of conduct that has already been adopted.
> Siva
>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 8:37 pm, Völkel, Dr. Svenja 
>> <svenja.voelkel at uni-mainz.de <mailto:svenja.voelkel at uni-mainz.de>> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> in case, we really need a code, Giorgio Arcadia's summarized version 
>> based on Martin Haspelmath) is a proposal that I would support.
>> Some remarks:
>> - It is a reasonable guideline to minimize all kinds of disrespect 
>> (culture-specific offenses, gender-specific offenses, etc) - it 
>> generates awareness but it surely does not prevent personal offenses 
>> to happen, unintentionally or deliberately.
>> - It corresponds to the basic behavior that anthropologists as well 
>> as field linguists are taught. More specific versions are hardly 
>> possible in view of the numerous culture-specific practices and 
>> perceptions.
>> - In my view, it is sad that it needs to be written down as official 
>> code, as these basics of respect should guide inter-personal 
>> behaviour anyhow.
>> Best,
>> Svenja Völkel
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Von:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org 
>> <mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> im Auftrag von 
>> Giorgio Francesco Arcodia <giorgio.arcodia at unimib.it 
>> <mailto:giorgio.arcodia at unimib.it>>
>> *Gesendet:*Dienstag, 21. November 2017 08:13:45
>> *An:*Maia Ponsonnet
>> *Cc:*lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org 
>> <mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> *Betreff:*Re: [Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct
>> In reply to Hedvig: Martin H. actually did propose an alternative, 
>> I'll paste it here:
>> Conference participants will:
>>   * treat fellow participants, students, volunteers, and any other
>>     members of the public with respect, dignity, impartiality,
>>     courtesy and sensitivity;
>>   * maintain a cooperative and collaborative approach to
>>     inter-personal relationships;
>>   * respect the privacy of others;
>>   * ensure that they do not become involved in or encourage
>>     discrimination against or harassment of participants, students,
>>     volunteers, or any other members of the public.
>> I think this is a very reasonable proposal, and I would support it.
>> Best,
>> Giorgio
>> On 21 Nov 2017 01:48, "Maia Ponsonnet" <maia.ponsonnet at uwa.edu.au 
>> <mailto:maia.ponsonnet at uwa.edu.au>> wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>     I am writing to rectify the gender imbalance on this list, where
>>     most conversations including this one seem to be male dominated ;-).
>>     I am a woman and those of you who know me (even just as FB
>>     friends for that matter) know that I care and am vocal about
>>     gender (im)balance.
>>     This is precisely why myself and my colleague Gwen Hyslop, who I
>>     am just discussing the matter with, *are voting NO to the code of
>>     conduct*.
>>     While we agree that there is a need for awareness, the "trend"
>>     imposed by such actions can only, in our opinion, be detrimental
>>     to interpersonal relationships and to gender balance in particular.
>>     The reasons are multiple and complex, and I am not prepared to
>>     discuss them on this list. I will be happy to discuss them in
>>     private (and preferably face to face) if appropriate.
>>     With best regards,
>>     Maïa & Gwen
>>     Dr Maïa Ponsonnet
>>     Senior Lecturer in Linguistics
>>     ARC Discovery Early Career Researcher Fellow
>>     Social Sciences Building, Room 2.47
>>     Faculty of Arts, Business, Law and Education
>>     The University of Western Australia
>>     35 Stirling Hwy, Perth, WA (6009), Australia
>>     P. +61 (0) 8 6488 2870 <tel:+61%208%206488%202870>- M. +61 (0)
>>     468 571 030 <tel:+61%20468%20571%20030>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>     <mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>> on behalf of
>>     David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de <mailto:gil at shh.mpg.de>>
>>     *Sent:*Tuesday, 21 November 2017 8:34 AM
>>     *To:*lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>     <mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>>     *Subject:*Re: [Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct
>>     Having said my bit I was hoping not to have to add to the discussion,
>>     but I feel the need to counter two lines of rhetoric that seem to
>>     have
>>     emerged.  (I do so without offering actual citations because I
>>     think it
>>     is important to maintain a civilized conversation devoid of ad
>>     hominem
>>     remarks.)
>>     First, I am uncomfortable with the implication that there is a
>>     job to be
>>     done and that this is somehow being "derailed" by too much
>>     discussion.
>>     The debate is precisely on what should be done, what is ethical
>>     and what
>>     is practical.  If we're to invoke train metaphors, then I would
>>     counter
>>     by saying that we must avoid being railroaded into one very
>>     specific way
>>     of going about addressing the problem. Which leads into ...
>>     Secondly, and perhaps more cogently, I am very uncomfortable with the
>>     implication that people who support the code of ethics somehow
>>     take the
>>     issues more seriously than those who are opposed to it. I suspect
>>     most
>>     ALT members would agree that we are in a gender-based conflict
>>     involving
>>     multiple levels of aggression, coercion and violence, mostly if not
>>     exclusively waged by men against women. And that we desperately
>>     need to
>>     do something about it.  The debate is over the methods, and it is a
>>     legitimate debate.  Just is it is possible to argue over the
>>     justification of the WWII carpet bombing of Dresden without being
>>     accused of harbouring Nazi sympathies, so it should be possible to
>>     criticize the proposed ALT code of ethics without being suspected of
>>     lacking sympathy or understanding for the struggles that are
>>     faced by women.
>>     David
>>     --
>>     David Gil
>>     Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution
>>     Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
>>     Kahlaische Strasse 10, 07745 Jena, Germany
>>     Email:gil at shh.mpg.de <mailto:gil at shh.mpg.de>
>>     Office Phone (Germany):+49-3641686834 <tel:+49%203641%20686834>
>>     Mobile Phone (Indonesia):+62-81281162816 <tel:+62%20812-8116-2816>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Lingtyp mailing list
>>     Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>     <mailto:Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>>     http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp
>>     <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp>
>>     Lingtyp Info Page - Linguist List
>>     <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp>
>>     listserv.linguistlist.org <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/>
>>     To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
>>     Lingtyp Archives. Using Lingtyp: To post a message to all the
>>     list members, send email ...
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Lingtyp mailing list
>>     Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>     <mailto:Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>>     http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp
>>     <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lingtyp mailing list
>> Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org 
>> <mailto:Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp
> _______________________________________________
> Lingtyp mailing list
> Lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/lingtyp/attachments/20171121/4877e5d6/attachment.htm>

More information about the Lingtyp mailing list