[Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct

Wed Nov 22 02:02:39 UTC 2017

Nice.  I would sign that too.

Dan

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Giorgio Francesco Arcodia <
giorgio.arcodia at unimib.it> wrote:

> In reply to Hedvig: Martin H. actually did propose an alternative, I'll
> paste it here:
>
> Conference participants will:
>
>    - treat fellow participants, students, volunteers, and any other
>    members of the public with respect, dignity, impartiality, courtesy and
>    sensitivity;
>    - maintain a cooperative and collaborative approach to inter-personal
>    relationships;
>    - respect the privacy of others;
>    - ensure that they do not become involved in or encourage
>    discrimination against or harassment of participants, students, volunteers,
>    or any other members of the public.
>
>
> I think this is a very reasonable proposal, and I would support it.
>
> Best,
>
> Giorgio
>
>
>
> On 21 Nov 2017 01:48, "Maia Ponsonnet" <maia.ponsonnet at uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> I am writing to rectify the gender imbalance on this list, where
> most conversations including this one seem to be male dominated ;-).
>
>
> I am a woman and those of you who know me (even just as FB friends for
> that matter) know that I care and am vocal about gender (im)balance.
>
>
> This is precisely why myself and my colleague Gwen Hyslop, who I am just
> discussing the matter with, *are voting NO to the code of conduct*.
>
>
> While we agree that there is a need for awareness, the "trend" imposed by
> such actions can only, in our opinion, be detrimental to interpersonal
> relationships and to gender balance in particular.
>
> The reasons are multiple and complex, and I am not prepared to discuss
> them on this list. I will be happy to discuss them in private (and
> preferably face to face) if appropriate.
>
>
>
> With best regards,
>
> Maïa & Gwen
>
>
>
>
> Dr Maïa Ponsonnet
> Senior Lecturer in Linguistics
> ARC Discovery Early Career Researcher Fellow
>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 8:34 AM
>
> *To:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct
>
> Having said my bit I was hoping not to have to add to the discussion,
> but I feel the need to counter two lines of rhetoric that seem to have
> emerged.  (I do so without offering actual citations because I think it
> is important to maintain a civilized conversation devoid of ad hominem
> remarks.)
>
> First, I am uncomfortable with the implication that there is a job to be
> done and that this is somehow being "derailed" by too much discussion.
> The debate is precisely on what should be done, what is ethical and what
> is practical.  If we're to invoke train metaphors, then I would counter
> by saying that we must avoid being railroaded into one very specific way
> of going about addressing the problem. Which leads into ...
>
> Secondly, and perhaps more cogently, I am very uncomfortable with the
> implication that people who support the code of ethics somehow take the
> issues more seriously than those who are opposed to it. I suspect most
> ALT members would agree that we are in a gender-based conflict involving
> multiple levels of aggression, coercion and violence, mostly if not
> exclusively waged by men against women. And that we desperately need to
> do something about it.  The debate is over the methods, and it is a
> legitimate debate.  Just is it is possible to argue over the
> justification of the WWII carpet bombing of Dresden without being
> accused of harbouring Nazi sympathies, so it should be possible to
> criticize the proposed ALT code of ethics without being suspected of
> lacking sympathy or understanding for the struggles that are faced by
> women.
>
> David
>
> --
> David Gil
>
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> Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
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